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Now, on the bench with Jenna and John, when we make a promise, it might take us a while, two years in fact, but we stick to that promise. And in April 2024, we made a promise to you that we would bring Big Hour back for a big return. And ladies and gentlemen, children of all ages, look who is back. Alex Wley, welcome. I would say this, we've not made many promises. I mean, I think we've made a few. Did we say we promised that Alli's going to be back within 6 months as well? I think within I've been in the abyss since.
Well, do you know I've been worried for 18 months, Jenna? Refreshing me emails all the time. When's it come back? Where's the good news is though, um the reason you haven't been back sooner is because you've been pretty healthy, right? You've been playing a lot. I know you had that little was it a foot injury earlier on? A little foot injury earlier. You missed counter fascia. Yeah. And you haven't you've been really well behaved on the pitch. you haven't had any suspension. So that is why we haven't been able to like completely keep our promise. It seems like it's almost I'm normally expected to be injured
could argue that there was a period there wasn't there was a period there where uh no I'm glad to be back. It's uh 18 months too late. Yeah, but we kept our promise. He is back big. Well, Al, interestingly, so obviously me and Al played together, but then weirdly now we live we sort of live in the same area, don't we? Weird. So, we've ended Well, no, no, no. It's just because it's not it's we're not traditionally in a rugby sort of league sort of area, is it? It's a bit out the way. And um it's weird because I'd sort of got away with being a rugby player in the past all of this time. And since Al's come following, are you
saying like being anonymous? sort of a bit anonymous, you know, like nobody really knew and I used to go to world famous. No, no, no, no, no, no. Nobody knew. I played rugby, right, in the past. So people just call me John, right? And I go to the driving range and every Al turns up, it blows my cover completely. Like, do you go in the butchers? Do you Which butcher? I mean, to be fair, I don't want to like just put you on the spot here, but whenever I go out and someone says to me, so what do you do? And I say, well, I play rugby. I know someone who plays rugby
plays John. Yeah. So you must be telling people that you play like really. So I think what actually happened is I was the you know when you're like the biggest fish in the pond and then Al's come along. Yeah. And everyone's like how impressive is he? I'm like oh like I'm the rugby guy around here. I'm the rugby No but we live close to each other now. That's a coincidence. Nice. Um, so since we've had you on, a lot has happened really. I mean, you got married. Congratulations. Thank you. Um, you also signed a new contract. Congratulations. Absolutely. Congrats. So, another year you're going to be at St. Helens's 2027.
How old? I'm 36 now. So, I'll be 37 next year. Great age. But you had the delayed start, didn't you? A bit of a delayed start. Yeah. It's funny, you know, because my uh whenever my agent goes in for contract negotiations and talks. It's all he usually that's the first thing he goes with, but he's been playing that card now for about 10 years. He's fresh. He's still fresh. He didn't sign until he was 22 and then he had a year out of his neck. So, there's plenty more miles on the back of the clock. It's wearing really.
He's used it so much. So, how many more miles? How many more contracts? How many more times are we going to get that signature on the dotted line? I think that's I think it's going to be the last one. I think so. Yeah. I think it's um look the way I feel. I'm enjoying playing and I've always kind of made that decision of if I'm enjoying it, I'll keep going. But I've also now, you know, I'm getting to that age where I've got to think about the next 20, 30 years as well. So, in my head, it's going to it's going to be my last one whether but if Simone keeps wanting extensions and things like that, then I might have
to keep going. She always says that she wants me to retire. Yeah, exactly. She always says she wants me to retire, but deep down, I think she'll roll me out in a wheelchair as long as I'm still going. Just get him back out there. Just pull him out more. Yeah. Come on. I need the on suite doing that's what it's like. He's like Al's Al's on his 15th carry and he thinks I need to keep going here cuz we got a bathroom suite to pay for. But yeah, I actually spoke to you at the driving range and it was this was when we had you on today. I was thinking there's actually a point, you know, you said you're loving the game and you're enjoying it again. There was a point
there where I thought it might have gone the other way, you know, where you're like, I'm feel like I'm done or, you know, like I'm getting to the end of my tether. Was that is that right? Or have I just completely missed? I think that's fair. And I think it look it's it's a journey and, you know, it's a buzz word, but it is a roller coaster this career and there's times and highs and lows and I think at the time we as a club were as a team, we were struggling, which you know, it's easier when you're winning to enjoy obviously. Um but also I think I'd had a few injuries and my body was probably not doing things what I was used to it being able to do and expect you know expected of them myself. So um look
I if you' have asked me two or three years ago I'd have expected to have retired by now really. Um but I'm I'm really enjoying it you know and it's changed it's different. I'm still enjoying representing St. Ellens. It's it's something I don't take for granted. So, as long as I'm I've got a smile on my face and I feel well enough the body's in good nick, I'll I'll just keep going. Is the body in good nick? Yeah, it is relatively. I get looked after a lot more than I've got the James Robby card as I like to call it. So, James Robby didn't seem to do any contact for the last three years of his career. So, I get looked after and
and they're smart with me and look, I know I'm probably not the player I was four or five years ago. And, you know, end of the day, I probably can't play as long in terms of minutes and what's expected of me, but that's evolving. And, um, look, I like I can still influence a game positively enough for me to play to the standard. Still in the England settle, you know, still in and around the performance being named, you know, which is pretty cool, you know, to be your age. I'm I'm not Sounds patronizing, doesn't it? And it's not mean to be. I mean for somebody in your stage of the career that's pretty impressive.
Yeah, I think and it is and I was to represent England in the ashes last year. I know it was disappointing in terms of the results and losing 3 and0 to the Aussies but to say at you know 35 36 I was still good enough to mix it with the best in the world and after having three or four years away from the international scene as well and the injuries. So yeah, it was weird though cuz I came down to London so I did some filming at the hotel. I walked into and Al was there, right? And you were there, but then I was looking around and I was thinking everyone here is really young. Yeah. You were just like a coach. You're walking around like it was like I was the head coach just walking around like what do I do?
How do I communicate with these lads? How has that transition been for you? because you kind of touched on it before, but going from being, you know, a superstar player, one of the best props in the world, to kind of, I suppose, getting to the back end of your career, how hard mentally, I suppose, more than anything is it to kind of adapt to that change? Um I found it quite I would say easy but quite comfortable as well I think because I've been lucky enough to play in such a real good side for such a long period of time and win you know pretty much there is to offer in terms of Super League and Challenge Cup and World Cup challenge and you know represent my country knowing that retirement is around the corner. I look at it with a smile on my
face. I'm excited for the next set because I've been lucky enough to achieve what I've achieved as part of a real great side for such a long period of time. So, uh, look, it's going to be different and you know, when I when that day comes and I do call it a day, it's I like to think I'll do it with a smile on my face and be proud of what I've been able to achieve and look and be excited for the next step in my life. What is the next step in your life? It's a fantastic question. I'm not too I was just mentioning before I'm back at uni. I'm studying a masters in business at the minute. So, I'm I'm halfway through that. Um, what sort of stuff are you studying?
What does a masters in business mean? Oh, man. I have no idea what anything means. You don't know, right? Perfect. So, it's going well. Let's get into this. This sounds good. I'm I'm not I'm I've got a cohort who are such a brilliant cohort from so many different organizations and industries who have been in business and corporate world. Executive level guys like yeah leaders just I know so much and I'm just this brought forward from settleins who was I just do a masters. So you're leeching. You're leeching off them, aren't you?
They're getting nothing off Al. Al's turning up. He's just scribbling notes down. All these highf flying profile executive leaders from around the world and I was like absolutely absorbing. I can do that. Yeah. It's easy. You've done it for 20 years. I'll just walk in and do it. So how easy was that going back to school or made it tough? Really, really tough. It's I mean I look I got a degree in quantitive when I you know before I got into rugby which is counting things. Yeah. for people who don't know counter bricks.
Um I thought I'd just fall back straight into what was expected, but it's look it's hard enough anyway, but when you got three kids, three boys and obviously, you know, you got time for all of this. I don't I honestly I don't know. It's it's a juggling act and uh but again, part of the reason I went back to uni was to challenge myself in a different way. you know, I know the time that's coming and um but what can I do to challenge myself again mentally to open up as many doors as possible for when I do call that day and uh worry about the next 20 30 years of my working life? Yeah, I just say how's Al juggling at all? I'd say the cohort at uni would say he's not juggling very well
when he turns up with a blank page. He's like, "Uh, chat GPT." Honestly, without AI, what is like Well, how do people not cheat without AI? How do people not cheat at school? Can I just say that I'm not using AI to do any of my work just on all of Al's work is his own. I want to circle back to something you said about St. Helens and how things have changed particularly I suppose over the last like 18 months or so. Obviously you've got a new coach Paul Rolley comes in. You can't hear me. Um we are here at Hadingly. It is quite loud. The announcer um is very loud here. Very good but very loud. Just I want to go back to St. Helen Al and something that you said about things changing
particularly you know with your new head coach coming in how has that been to kind of adjust and what is he like as a head coach? Yeah there's there's been a lot of change a lot of documented change as well. Um I think we needed to change I think not just as a team and a squad and a performance side but I think as an organization we needed change. Um I think the last four or five years has proved that you know was probably going down an avenue or wasn't working anymore. Um, I think it's been good. There's been some challenges with all change. I think there's always going to be some sort of
uh backlash within it. You know, that's just natural when it comes to change, especially the kind of change that we've gone through. So, there's going to take some adjusting, but um I know if we' have kept doing what we was doing, I don't think, you know, would have just got kept getting the same results. So, uh, look, Rolls has come in and he has he's changed a lot. and when we've played in a system so regimently for such a long time, it was always going to take time to adapt. I think we're starting to see the fruits of his labor now. Um, he's been brilliant. I really get on with, you know, I really like him. He's he's coming with a different point of view. He's different to what
I've been used to. Um, I you can tell he's got a vision and, you know, he's he's choosing for us to go that way. So, you know, hopefully we'll pay dividends and we'll see results. And whether that's this year, next year, in two, three years time, I don't know. But, um, as someone who's been there for so long, it has, it's took some getting adjusting to, especially a lot of the senior players and all the people within the squad will be there for such a long time and the other members of staff. But, um, you know, that the proof will be in the pudding in the next six to 18 months, won't it? I think change comes in like in different ways in sport like you can evolve over time a little bit at a
time can't you but Saints have been so successful for so long doing a particular thing I thought it was almost inevitable like a big change would come you know you've had such a similar squad in to certain extent and played and defended a very similar way for such a long time that it sort of needed to be a big change really I think so cuz the squad's changed so much massively as well and we probably had a squad from 2019 to 2022 who could play in that manner knowing that we would win because we were you know we were the best team and you know the proof was in our performances and our results and um we wouldn't vary for anyone. this is how we're going to play and you know your objective is to stop us you know and we believed
in that so much but the squad's changed people retire people get older the game changes you know it the game even the last 2 three years has evolved so much on the field you have to adapt to how you play and what you do so um look it I'm excited for where the club's going it's look it well I'm not adapting I see social media we see the news and reports it gets a bad rap and it's been getting you know a bit a stick for the last few years. You could argue, but look, there's a vision there. I think St. Alens need to be successful for Super League to be successful. Uh we've got some exciting kids coming through. You know, Harry Robertson, Owen Dagnel, you know, George Whitby, you know, some players there who,
you know, you keep nurturing and evolving and, you know, the good times will come back. Obviously, highly attractive for those young players to other clubs as well. Um, are we talking about Wakefield and Harry Robertson? No, no. Just saying that if you want to produce good young players who other clubs are interested in, that's life. Like you want That's a success really, isn't it? That another club, a rival club is coming in and I potentially of course reportedly we're not 100% sure the full details of that. Um but just as well in terms of what you've achieved in your career, so five grand final wins, a World Club challenge victory and winning um the Challenge Cup. How confident are you that you will
lift silverware again before your career does come to an end? Um, look, if you don't believe, there's there's no point in doing what you do. We absolutely believe in our squad and our team. I'm not going to stand up here and say that we're favorites to go and win because, you know, we're not and understanding that a lot of changes come in and we're probably sacrificed in terms of where we are now because of what we're trying to evolve and do. So, um, I believe we've got a squad who can win this year, whether we're favorites or not, that's another matter. I think we've got a lot of evolving we need to do between now and October for that to happen. Um, if it was a grand final tomorrow, you know,
you could argue that, you know, we're probably not good enough. I think the last few three or four weeks have proven that we're not good enough at the minute to beat the best team. So, we've got to evolve and adapt as much as we can. We've got to, you know, believe in what we have currently and you hit form at the right time of the year, you're in the playoffs, then I believe on our day we can beat anyone. And if we don't believe that, then there's no point. Who's who's the best then? If you're saying you're not the best right now, who do you think? We're going to have a benchmark for me.
I think leads are really good. K obviously really good. We're going to have cranked it up though, aren't they? I think visibly like it looks different from them. I think they've taken the game to like a bit of a different place. Uh lead's probably in attack, right? But the way we're going to defend it at the minute, it's pretty good. Yeah, I think that they're the benchmark. And I think that they've they've sort of turned from the start of the year there was probably a bit up and down. I think they've found what they're about. And yeah, look, as much as it pains for me to say that they are the best and you know, that's where we're trying to get to.
Um and it's, you know, it's no overnight fix. We got to keep working and grinding to hopefully get there. But like I said, but lead leads and K got two teams tonight who uh argue you on their day they'll yeah they can beat Wigan. You know everyone can beat anyone on the day but you know I think the benchmark at the minute are Wigan. I just want to check in on uh one of your teammates, your former teammate as well, Johnny Lomax. How is he currently? Because that injury we were there at the game and when he went down and grabbed his jaw it was almost like as he was coming off he was holding on to his weird that I thought his scrum cap strap would have done that quite nicely. Do you know it was all he had a scrum cap
strap and I was thinking surely the scrum cap's keeping it on the hands I just thought we might have had it on upside down is what it is. Um no look he's he's he's done it to it's been a tough few weeks Johnny I think um look he's the same age as me as Johnny likes to say that he's younger but it's by four months but we are the same age. Yeah. Uh, as I tell him, but it's been a challenge for him, I think. Look, he's he's such a brilliant professional. The way he conducts himself on the field and off the field, where he trains and prepares himself, and he's had a tough
couple of years, you know, you look at where he's been in terms of how he's played for Saints and come off the bench a lot. He didn't play a lot last year as well. He'd sort of come back in and I think he was going to be our seventh for the foreseeable. And look, he got he's had a real bad injury there. And yeah, look, he's done it tough, but knowing Johnny and his resilience and his mindset, um it's another hurdle. And if I back if I was to choose anyone to get over a hurdle, it's Johnny Normax. Oh, that's what he's done. He's done it enough all his life.
Johnny's career has been littered with really tough moments and like the fact he's got to 37 36 37 and not thrown the towel in suggests he'll absolutely be fine, you know. And actually when I saw him get injured, it looked bad, didn't it? It looked really bad. But I thought if that's going to happen to anyone, you know that Johnny's got the ability to deal with that. He's already been through so much, you know, starting right back when he was a young player. He's had a incredible career as Johnny Lormax and and you know, you're hopeful that we see him back on the field this season. Yeah. Fingers crossed for sure. Um, okay. The way that we ended the podcast two years ago was with the players association, if you like, player welfare and that kind
of discussion. I know John, you were involved a couple of Why are you looking at me like that? What do you mean? I was you talking. Oh, I couldn't see your eyes with the sunnies on. No, I was looking at you cuz you were talking glasses of Sorry. Game on. Carry on. So, I know you were involved many years ago. Many, many years ago. How is Al going to have time to start a players association? Well, this could be why he's studying. He's got kids coming out because it could be I don't know. He's playing golf three times a week unless anyway from Saints is watching. No, he's not. He's he's busy. But yeah, players association. So, you
were keen something that you were very passionate about and I know that you were um quite vocal about. Yeah. No, absolutely. I think it and it's frustrating that we're still at a point where we haven't got what we need. Um the one thing I will say is that our cares and Adrian Marley and uh behind the scenes have done a lot of work. I think they'll be the first to admit that it's not come quick enough. Uh but we've always said whatever happens want it to be right. Uh the way the game's evolving, I think with new sky broadcast deals coming up and other little things to have a players's voice amongst those conversations I think is integral to the sport. Um look we go out onto the
field and pay such a heavy price in what we do in terms of providing entertainment. Um as a stakeholder I feel it's really important that players do get heard and I feel change is coming. I look it will it come in time for your um career? Um I think there'll be a association there. I think this year hopefully we'll get something off the ground and running. um whether I don't think I'll probably see much benefit out of it but look and that's not why we do what we do. I think something I from the start of this journey I've always said is I won't see the benefit of a players association because I'm coming towards the end but I look at Harry Robertson I look at George Whit diagonal I look at their
career and George Delane is and I think I want Bobby what opportunities for them but I wasn't that lucky enough to have what John wasn't looking to have and why has it been so delayed? Well, there's a load of factors going into it. One is uh opposition generally centrally um you know the GMBB where we had Gareth Carell who was uh head of the GMBB that was a trade union an association that is there to actually represent um industrial workers in the north. It's not a specialized trade union. Gareth Carell was almost put into rubber league cares to look after that. He was then let go and all of a sudden the GMBB as it existed which was never the right organization to represent rugby league
players is never the right organization. It never has been. It never was. It's an industrial trade union. It wasn't specific enough and tailored to the players ever. That's why I looked into it in the past. So when Scare Carell went then it falls into this awkward situation where the players aren't really represented. And I think rugby league cares can do it and I've spoken to Adrian Moley about this. Uh ultimately it needs to be playerdriven because you're going to have to butt heads centrally with the game and well if it's for the players need to have a voice. Yes. But you the complicated thing about an a players association is it's relationships between the clubs the game the governing body RL commercial like the players are
independent of all of that but are employed by the clubs are bound by the RFL's guidelines and policies. So it's very delicate and I'll say this from my experience of trying it. It's way more political once you scratch under the surface of our game than you could ever imagine. The difference the different feeling I have right now from a player who's currently playing within Super League to where we was five six years ago. Yeah. I think there's a real hunger now from the players to get it sorted. You can sense that I think with the influence of the NRL and what they have in their players association.
We've got more NRL players coming over um and getting involved with Super League. Yeah. Is knowing what they have and what they can what they've achieved. And it took a long time for them to do it. And it and all it started was it took some founding players to get a grip of it and get it going. And it's not going to be easy. It might take five ten years for this association to get really a strong voice. But until you start, you will never know. And but that's that's the one thing what gives me hope about an association and a players voice is that there's a genuine hunger. There's a critical mass of players who want which was not the case. Well, I can tell you speaking to representatives of Rugby League Cares, I know that there is
definitely something happening behind the scenes whether that happens this year or next. Um, I know that they are working on it. Um, okay. On and off the bench. You know it well. Big Al. Um, on the bench, would you shall I go first on the bench? I'm No, I'm going to go first. Oh, you go. Go on. Well, I was just going to bench people wearing sunglasses on telly. Understood. when we're in a nice shaded area and this is shaded. Oh my god. So that's what I'm benching this week. Quite simple. Are we for or against? What? Sunnies. I'm for absolutely. I thought it was fine. You've drawn attention to something. Nobody even knew at home cuz they're watching.
Well, nobody's watching. You mean listening? Listening. That's what I said. Anyway, benching sunnies on telly. Understood. I am benching. This um it's something that really bugs me. is anybody who wears a Whoop. A Whoop, right? Have a word with yourself. Is it just Whoop or are there other brands as well? Extend. No. Whoop in particular. And if anybody is in public with friends and start talking about their sleep score, go away. It's the most dull. Do you know of all have been in touch about potentially sponsoring? No, they haven't. We'll tell them no. We will have to because what they've done is created a system where people are anxious about sleeping well now. So just
so you wake up and you're tired. It doesn't only measure your sleep. Yes. No, it doesn't. It's like a Fitbit, right? It's like biodnamics. It measures for people who don't know what it is. Enlighten them. It's It's a wearable piece of technology that measures your bio- rhythms. It measures stress hormones. It measures your sleep. Keep the time. It absolutely. It's digital. It keeps the time. That's probably the best thing about it. It's a watch, isn't it? It's a watch that tells you're tired. That's what it is. That should be their strap line. Buy this. It tells you when you're tired.
A few other lads at say have them and they always sell off. I've had a poor soup tomorrow. I mean, do you need a water should tell you that you've had a bad fact woken up tired? Is that not enough of an indicator? How do you know if 76% How do you know if 76% sleeps bad and somebody walks past a glass of red wine at night and they sniffing, I slept terribly last night. God, I was down at 76%. And I'm like, go away. Do not speak to me ever again. I don't want to be friends with you. Have you ever woken up not feeling tired? Just especially with three children, rugby career, and also a business master's degree working like
bubbling away in the background. Do you ever wake up not tired? No, I'm always tired and I think I don't need a another watch to now get me as well telling me that I'm tired as well. But can you imagine how depressing it would be if you look down and 100% sleep score last night? Terrible. We're bringing like a fake watch. What? Says that you've had a great sleep. Yeah. And you get a placebo effect. My watch says I've slept great. So I best feel great. Yeah. You look fantastic. Well done. You slept awesome. Mind manifest. Manifestation.
Not just whoop. Whoop chat. Whoop chat in public talking about a Fitbit and it used to stress me out because I used to measure my sleep and I used to panic before going to bed being like, I must sleep well. And then of course I didn't sleep well because I was wearing the Fitbit. That was one night. I then took it off and I never wore it again. So I'm going to bench it as well. But not just exclusively to Whoop. No, all of them. They're obviously very useful. Anyway, we are running out of time and I'm just very I'm I'm interested in what your on the bench is. What do you want to get rid of?
Oh, you put me under pressure here. Um really without two. Yeah. Well, last time I said backs around and you took that meaning to people. The literally the spinal cord. Remove spinal cords is so we'll change. What about the actual spine of a rugby league team? Because as a forward, what upsets me sometimes, you have spine meetings. What are you then? If they're the spine, if they're the spine, what are you? 67. Yeah, I know. But if they're the spine, which is essentially all of the nervous tissue that controls are you just a floppy arm?
What are you? I don't You're not a brain. You're not the brain, though. So, what are you strong arm? No, he's But he's not because his spine the spine makes it work. He's just got a flaccid arm. It's we've we've almost always said just because you play pro forward, you can't talk to us about meetings and about how we're going to attack. And I find that a bit bullying, you get left out a little bit. Yeah. It's you know, in this day and age with inclusive. Yeah, we got to be inclusive. It's not Well, I want to ban spine as a term calling them the spine. You know, let's get rid of it.
Okay, that's good. You've had your turn. So, do you want to elaborate a little bit more? So, in terms of who's leading these meetings, should we call them out? Is it's senior spine members of that St. Helens team? I don't I can't get close enough to it to be honest. You know, it's so inclusive, you know what I mean? Or not inclusive, sorry. Once it's a clandestine group. We've got little t-shirts and badges. Okay, that's a good I think props being a part of the attacking plan need to be that's what Absolutely. So that's what you want. You want to get that off the bench.
I think you kicked the ball here last year. Yeah. I've been crying out for ever since I got to say St. Allen to have an attacking player called a big Al player. Yeah, but that's fine. And I've been crying for that. It's not narcissistic. I'll carry on. It doesn't end up with you falling over the line. Yeah, but don't involve me in it. What do you mean? We'll call it big al and then don't go anywhere near me cuz they're thinking, "Yeah, you're the decoy. Big where are you going to stand?"
Well, where are you? Just on the wing. Big Al's on the wing. I'm telling it. I like it. Um we've got a couple of seconds left. Do you want to call out? I'm I'm putting on I'm going on holiday at the weekend. I'm putting on the bench um sand sandy beaches. Not having it. I want more stone. I want more stony beaches. I don't want sandy beach. Is that because Are you going somewhere where it's a stony beach?
I'm going somewhere it's a stony beach. I think sand's rubbish. You're mental. Sand's rubbish. Stony beach. How uncomfortable lying on a stony beach. How hard is it to get sand off your feet? You're so strange on sun cream. You put your cream on, sand everywhere. You essentially exfoliate yourself. You come off like you're disgusting. It's stuck to your everywhere. Whereas on a stony beach, do you know that there are opposite beaches you Well, not the beaches I go. Not the beaches I go to. You sit back on a stony beach and you watch a middle-aged man with a capital D kench try and get in and out the water.
There's nothing funnier. You don't get that on a sandy beach. I don't like sand to be fair. I'm I'm we Oh, you guys are so I mean stony beat. I'd rather have a sand. But you're on a sun. Why don't respect our beaches resin? have the best floor on all the beaches tarmac. That's a great idea. Just not. Wow. Now that's an idea. The tarmac beach and Al's got a business idea going there. That's going to be in his MBA for sure. I mean, if you can open one up in London, I might even go to weather. Send in your best on and off the benches on the evidence. We are struggling.
We need them. We would love to hear from you. So, do reach out uh on Instagram, on X, or however you like. Even comment underneath um the podcast. I'm going to buy the tarmac beach.com. I think it's a thing. I've already bought it. That's his business plan. Post 2027. Big Al, thank you so much for joining us, John. Uh thank you. Bye-bye.
