Casey Neistat on the Art of Daily Content Creation

Welcome to the Vergecast, the flagship podcast of daily podcasts. I'm your friend David Pierce, and as of today, the Vergecast is in fact a daily podcast. We're going to be in your feeds and on your YouTubes or wherever you find the Vergecast 5 days a week. Um, I would say in general, we have lots of ideas about what we're going to do, but almost no religion about any of it. We have lots of series we're going to try to do inside of the Vergecast. Lots of fun bits that are make more sense to do in a daily podcast world. The show where Neili and I yell at each other once a week is basically not going to change. So don't worry if that's the Vergecast you know and love. But in this expanded

format where we get to do more stuff and we get to do it on a faster timeline and we get to be more just engaged in your life and with the news every day. I'm very excited about what we're going to get to do here. Today on the show, we're going to talk about posting with one of the original posters, Casey Neistat, who spent years posting something on the internet every day. And he has a lot of thoughts about what it takes to do that and also what it looks like to do that now in 2026. So, we're going to talk about it, but first, here is a look at everything happening on the Verge today. It's 90 seconds on the Verge for Monday, June 1st, 2026. Nvidia made a big announcement of a new chip line called

the RTX Spark, which it says is the most efficient PC chip ever built. Did it offer any kind of statistics or numbers to back that up? No, it sure didn't. But Nvidia seems to have big plans to take the best of its gaming technology, the best of its AI technology, and the best of mainstream computing needs and smoosh it all together into one chip that can do everything. The first devices are coming out this fall. I promise you, they're going to cost a fortune, but this is one to watch out for. This week is also Computex, the big computer trade show. And one of the big themes of the year seems to be everybody from Dell to Acer to frankly just about everybody else trying desperately to compete with

the MacBook Neo. $600 laptops are about to get a lot better. This week is also Microsoft's build developer conference and just two things to keep an eye out for at Build. One is the Copilot Super app that I think is coming. We're going to get the combination of all of Microsoft's co-pilot assistant stuff, all of the coding stuff, all of it in one place. This is the new trend for AI companies and Microsoft's on it too. The other is just a lot of little things designed to make Windows nicer to use because frankly that's long overdue. Last bit of news for today. Anthropic has confidentially filed to go public.

We don't know a ton of the details yet. They're still mostly under wraps, but we do know that Anthropic just recently raised money at a $965 billion valuation, which actually makes it more valuable than OpenAI, which is also trying to go public. SpaceX is going public in 2 weeks. We are about to get a huge referendum on how people feel about AI and where all of this money is really going to land. You can read more about all of that at the verge.com. That's it. That's 90 seconds on the Verge for June 1st, 2026. All right, let's get to our main topic for today. Casey Neistat, if you don't know, is a hugely successful YouTuber.

He has been one of the most influential people in the vlogging community for many, many years. And starting in 2015, he spent over 800 consecutive days posting every single day. He made a video and he published it every single day. And so, as we embark on this journey of posting every single day, I figured it would be fun to call Casey and see if we can get some tips on how to actually do that day in and day out, but also to just get a sense of how he thinks about posting. Obviously, the internet is a very different place than it was in 2015 when Casey started posting every day. But he's also still a hugely successful and influential creator. He spends a lot of time talking to other creators about how to make this

stuff work. And in a world filled with vertical video and algorithmic timelines and social media feeds that seem to have less and less to do with social and more to do with media, I just wanted to get Casey's read on where we are in the creator landscape right now and to see if he could help me feel any better about the idea of what it means to do this every single day cuz I'm excited and slightly terrified. Let's get into it. Casey Neistat, welcome to the Vergecast. Great to be here, David. I am very excited to have you here.

We've been sort of like loosely talking past each other about doing this for a very long time. I'm happy to have you here. Available anytime. I got nothing else going on. Just call me. I'm here. So, I've brought you here for a very special occasion, which is that we're running this episode on the first day of the Vergecast being a daily show. Um, and I both want to talk to you about kind of the state of posting and making things online as somebody who's been doing it for a very long time and was very early to a lot of the things people are doing now. Um, I also need some

therapy about how this is all going to go for me and how to do it without dying. But I want to start with sort of the state of things because we've spent a lot of time talking on this show about the clip economy and kind of the race for everybody's attention and the ability to just chop everything you make into a thousand little pieces and put it everywhere in front of people and sort of win the attention game that way. Um, you were thinking about how to post a lot way before most people were thinking about how to post a lot. And you were like in 2015 you were like, I'm gonna start making stuff every single day and I'm just going to put myself in front of people. uh what was the impetus behind that all those years ago?

Well, it's it's a much more compelling story in retrospect because it seems so smart and considered and calculated, but the reality was I found myself in a situation where because I was just about to launch my own like ventureback startup that I had never been further from making movies because I was so kind of distracted. So the idea was like let me create a let me upload every day and I'll make like a video every day about my startup and it would promote the startup and I had endless material and then it turns out like five dudes in a room writing code is really an interesting subject matter and uh it eventually sort of consumed every aspect of my life in like this perpetual search for interestingness to make the videos

but it wasn't much more considered than that. Yeah. But I still think there's something in that insight of like not just I'm going to make a bunch of videos and promote my startup, which I think is a relatively normal insight to have had in 2015. But there's something about just the sheer volume play of it that it seems like even existed in your head and then you're just like, I'm going to do this and then again and then again and I'm going to keep doing this. There must have been some kind of idea about like this must add up to something. No, in fact, it was the I No, it was the opposite because David, I treated my YouTube channel as this precious thing, I think, misguidedly early in my career

where like I'd never monetized any of my videos. It was for me, I thought of it as like a forum where I'd just put like really great videos that I was proud of. And I remember like posting, you know, daily vlogging back in the day was just like kids holding their camera up being like, "Now I'm going to get coffee. This coffee is good. Now I'm going to get in my car. I'm in my car now." And it was this diary sort of thing, but it was not considered like real content creation or creative expression. And I remember like day three or four of uploading my daily videos, somebody was like I saw a comment was like, "Casey is a great video creator. This is so beneath him. What's he doing?" And I was

like, "Shit, I'm so busted." Because there was a little part of me that felt like that. Like I felt like I was diminishing my work. So all of the learnings of the power of daily, like I said, really came in retrospect. Like my foresight in getting into it was much more skeptical, which is a generous way of framing it. I would say it was much more like deeply insecure and uncomfortable with what it was. But what I learned from it is something much much more powerful which is like and I think this is the opportunity you having going daily which is when you have a daily conversation with an audience podcast video show whatever it might be a relationship develops that reduces the

um necessity for the subject matter to always be something overwhelming. And what I mean by that specifically is like go look at the hundred videos I made before I started daily videos. They all had like really meaningful subject matter. It was meaningful for me. Or even if you look at the videos I've made in the last like you know seven years since I stopped doing daily. Everyone has a very specific narrative to it. And like in the last couple weeks I was kind of like you know screw it. And I started making like my using my daily video format but I only do it a couple times a week. But it really is like I just finished it today a video today. It's about nothing. like I hang out with my

friend, I like run into somebody in the street, and then it's me hanging out with my like UPS delivery driver. That's the whole video. Um because what I found is like when you do it daily, people aren't just signing up for whatever it is that you're going to be sharing via the Vergecast. They're signing up because they like you. They want to hear about you. They want to keep up with you. So there's this sort of equinimity that happens with the subject matter and then the who's presenting the subject matter. It makes me think back to like early days when I first moved to New York and I used to listen to Howard Stern every day. Like I listened because I liked his you know celebrity guests or

whatever silly goof they were doing that day. But like in the early hours it' just be him bsing with his co-hosts but I was signed up to listen to him. So it didn't matter what the subject matter was. I was there for that. And I think that's the power that you have with quantity. So, how do you think about that in your own work? Because I know a thing you've talked about before is sort of struggling with um when this thing becomes about me, how much of me do I share with you and how much do I sort of make this about me all the time? And that starts to feel uncomfortable. But also like the thing that makes me itchy about what you just said is the part of me that goes, "Okay, well now I can get

to a point where actually you're coming here to see me and not this good work that I've done." Which is just like as a reporter feels weird, but also just like makes it feel like I'm I'm terrified that I'm going to start doing a bad job because there's no pressure because it's just sort of a hang we have every day. And I feel like running against that feels like a hard thing to do where it's like I could settle into this idea that I'm just here every day and that's going to be enough. And I think you see a lot of creators do that. That it truly is like quantity over quality in a very real way. Uh I am desperate to avoid that trap. I don't subscribe to the quantity over quality perspective.

Like I, you know, whatever. I posted a video every day for 800 days in a row and every one of those videos was the best video I could make that day. and I'm proud of all the work. That's a good way of looking at it, though. If I think it's good, then I did it. Like, if I don't think it's good, then it's garbage. So, I don't think it's quality over quantity, but I do think it's like the weightiness of the subject matter versus um versus the sort of more llays on fair subject matter. Yeah. That idea of like I'm just going to make the best thing I can today actually feels very freeing because it's like it's not this is not required to be the best thing I've ever made in my entire life every single time. But it is

required to be the best I could do this time. And I think there's there's something nice about that. That's like I'm obligated to try my hardest. And like this is what John Stewart always said about the Daily Show. I remember was like doing like the best thing about this is if we do a horrible job there's another show tomorrow and it's going to be fine. And the worst part is if we do an unbelievable job, there's another show tomorrow and we have to go do it again. And there's like there's something about that I actually love as a constraint. Yeah. Like I just I'm plugging this book cuz I just finished reading it. But Oh, I've heard great things about this book.

It's fantastic. But how constraints make us better. And I think about that a lot because my only the constraint when I was doing daily was it has to be every day no matter what. And that's like it is a an amazing constraint because there were some days when like I had nothing to create and there's no I couldn't pull from anything and but I still had to make it and that was a forcing agent that I think really moved me forward in my process and I think when I think of a podcast or a radio host I think it can have that same forcing agent. But David, we moved on from something that I didn't address, but I think you brought it up and it's a really it's it's really astute, which is like how much of yourself do you give away?

And I think there's two I have two takes on this. One was me, which is like very quickly cuz I had no understanding, as naive as that sounds, like I really didn't appreciate what it meant to put so much of myself out there. You know, my first videos when I was doing the vlog were a couple hundred thousand views, but when that turned into millions of views, it had an impact on my real life. So, like in my earliest episodes of the vlogs, like my little baby's in there cuz I was a dad. She was my whole life. And then like a few months later, like my kids just don't show up anymore. I'll still talk about them reference, but like keep that out. And like it required me to sort of

figure out how much of me I'm going to put out, how much of me I'm not going to put out, but ultimately like expanded pretty wide. Like it really did capture the near totality of who I am in my life. So that's one version of it. Another version of it that I have just extraordinarily deep admire admiration for is like Marquez Brownley. Marquez puts out several videos a week. He's got a, you know, podcast. He's second channels. He is he floods the zone with his content without ever compromising his own integrity or the quality of the content. But moreover, he doesn't ever cross that line and feel like he needs to give more of himself away. I'm speaking only based on a viewer and a fan of his. I've never had

this conversation with him, but he doesn't give much of himself away. But as someone who's been watching his content for a decade, what he's gotten really good at is how he frames whatever he's reviewing or whatever it is that he's talking about. And Marquez is one of the few creators out there that I don't care what he's talking about. I still want to hear what he has to say. So he can be reviewing some phone I have no interest in or some camera that I'll never buy, but because it's him, I'm like, "Oh, I love that guy. Yeah, I'd love to spend 12 minutes with him where he's talking about this new microphone that I could care less about. So, I think he's giving a different version of himself away, which is it's

his own focus and his own ability to sort of speak in a way that people want to receive um without ever having to expand how much of himself he's giving away. I think about this on some simple levels, like how much do I talk about my kids, right? And like should our audience know a lot about what my kids are up to? And I think that line is sort of everchanging for me. Like for a long time I didn't say their names on the show and I like I've gotten more comfortable with that or like so little things. But then there's like uh at the beginning of a bunch of our episodes for the longest time there's

always just been a little opener that's just like me on some stupid adventure and it's just like two minutes of me talking about how annoying it is that there isn't a good bacon, egg, and cheese in Washington DC. Uh, and there's a portion of our audience that really likes that and is like, "It's fun. It makes you guys feel human. I like being connected to you in that way." And then there's a portion of our audience that is like, "Shut up and talk about tech news." And it is sort of the eternal struggle, right? What do you tell new creators these days? I know. I feel like you've become sort of the like Yoda of the creator space. You're in everybody's video where they're like, "I'm going to YouTube. How do I do

this?" You just did this with our friend Joanna Stern not that long ago. like people who are coming to you trying to break into this space. I assume the biggest thing most people are trying to do is figure out in some way how do I become a thing, right? How do I make people care about me as a person? Uh what do you tell those people? First of all, I'm surprised that people still come to me for advice. It's because my advice is antiquated and I stand by it. Um, but my general feeling now on YouTube is that, you know, first of all, I dislike I admire it, but I dislike it's not my thing, how most of at least from my anecdotal experience, how most people approach the platform, which is primarily data

driven, um, retention rates, engagement, length of video. It's a game to be won. All of these things are a game to be one now. And to me, that is so antithetical to the creative aspect. And whether it's me doing it daily or any of the anything I've done in the media space, television, film, everything, it's always been creativity first. And why I champion YouTube historically and why I continue to champion YouTube is because there's no barriers to entries. The top of the funnel is so wide. you can quite literally introduce any version of creativity to this platform and do your thing with without any obstructions. You know, I spent a decade plus working in the formal media space whereas, you know, you have executives and you have channel leads and you have

all of these people that you all these filters that the people that select what gets into a film festival, distributors, all these filters between you, your creativity and your audience. And what's so amazing about YouTube is for the first time in media, the history of media, it's reduced that to zero. Like what you create and what you determine is what you want it to be is what exactly the audience will see. And that's like a romantic vision that I fully subscribe to back in the day. It's one I fully subscribe to today. And most conversations that I have start from a place that I could give like I could give not two shits about which is about, you know, how do I maximize engagement

and like should I be making shorter stuff so more people will watch it and it's just completely uninteresting to me. Um, and I say that with full respect for like the soul crushingness that is having a video that doesn't get views. And like I understand the motivation of wanting to succeed on this platform with the metrics that it provides you, but that's where most conversations start and those conversations end really quickly. Well, is it maybe easy for you to say that as somebody with whatever 12 million YouTube subscribers and uh like I what I wonder I mean and I think it's if you were starting out now even with you and all the I think you also have a sort of unusual set of skills and you

came to this platform with an unusual set of like cinematography skills if nothing else. Uh, my guess is you would have a much harder time breaking in now on a pure I'm just going to make good stuff and trust the platform than you did, you know, whatever, however many years ago. I think you're you're understating that. I think if I did exactly what I did today, exactly what I did a decade ago today, I wouldn't see 10% the response that I had a decade ago. I think that's right. And I think that's the part that makes me sad is I think there is a long time where YouTube was the thing that you were describing and the cynical part of me believes that part of YouTube and of social media in general might

just be dead. Well, I hope you're wrong. Um I think the numbers validate your take on it, but I hope you're wrong because that's pretty crushing. That means that we're heading towards a world that's nothing but uh algorithmically motivated slop. Um, but like I watched whatever Chariss Theron's new rock climbing action movie is on Netflix the other night. Yeah. And that's algorithmically created slop like completely unwatchable and I do feel like there's an extraordinary trend towards that. But I'm also like I am a romantic and I do believe in out in the outliers and I think that like you know

Christopher Nolan can exist in a world where he surfs above that and Quinton Tarantino does too. And I think that you know it might be getting harder and harder to succeed with that. But I still think like it comes down to a matter of motivation because that opportunity still exists and like to defend myself in the it's easy for me to say because I've got 10 million subscribers. You know, I think back to my earliest days of making videos and like my line has always been like, you make a living so you can make videos. You don't make videos so you can make a living. And you know, like I was making $12 an hour as a dishwasher. And when I was not working, you know, 60 hours a week in a sweaty seafood restaurant

kitchen, I was at home on my iMac TV, the one that you can see right behind me right here. Nice. Like editing an iMovie 1.0 making little videos. And how I shared them my version of YouTube 25 years ago was I would export to a VHS tape. I would get into my 1989 Ford Taurus and I would drive to people's house, sit them on the couch, put it in, click play, watch them as they watched it, take it out, and then drive to my next friend's house. So like my view count then was somewhere between like two and six, right? Six is a huge hit. You're you're a viral sensation. Six is viral. But like, you know, and like iPod's dirty secret, the first video I ever had that really popped off, like I built a splash page for that. Mhm. So, you know, like I've always I've

always it is easy for me to say now because I have a big channel and I'm I'm diving off a very tall diving board, but it is I've been consistent with this through the, you know, 28 years of being a filmmaker, which is that it's always been about creativity and creative expression. And I still believe like you put enough stuff out there, if it's good, your audience will find it. And it might be six people or 10 people and it might be a million people. you've been posting more recently. You've you've sort of brought back some of the vlog style. There's a real like the internet is healing thing going on in the comments of all of these videos having like about nothing Casey and I stop vlogs back. It's great. Uh has it felt

different? Like does it have you been thinking about it differently? Are you approaching it differently? Are you doing anything differently in 2026 than you were in the sort of first 800 days of vlogging? No. I mean, what it was like I made a movie about procrastination. It's called Navigating the Matrix and it's a movie that's like 7 minutes long and it's just about like why we procrastinate or why I procrastinate. And somebody called it out in the comments cuz they noticed even though I wear the same shirt every day, somebody noticed that my shirt was slightly different in one of the shots. And the reality is that six or eight minute video about procrastination took me nine months to make.

Wow. nine months of procrastinating to get through this video and I just was like what was it that enabled me to make a video every day and I realized it was the constraints. It was the fact that like I decided in the morning a video was going to be made. By the end of the day, that video would have to be made. And my passion is mostly in the process. Like when it comes to the subject matter, there's subject matter everywhere. And sometimes I have really big ideas like that video about procrastination. It was like a very vivid lucid idea for me and I was like, I can make a movie. But sometimes it's just interesting stuff. Like I ran into a couple this morning like on my skateboard ride to work and they were

like in a wedding gown in tuxedo and they like scream my name and I was like did you guys just get married and they were like we're on our way right now and I was like that's a video. Yep. And like so the process is what I love. So by putting a constraint in which is like you know I post once or twice a week now but it's like if I start in the morning it has to be I have to be done shooting by the end of the night and it's a really pleasing constraint. Why not in addition to like you can take these things and I think you can make them in a way that still feels sort of creative and pure.

Why not then do the like ruthless growth hacking bit on the other side of it? Uh you're like I've made a thing that I'm very proud of and now I'm going to pay an army of strangers to clip it and promote it for me so that I can get 100 million views on TikTok. Like is it possible to sort of have your cake and eat it too that way? I don't know. But the short answer is I've tried um very half-heartedly. Okay. Um but like I've sought out the person this like unicorn or leprechaun like a person you hear about a lot but you're not sure actually exists. And how I framed it to several very smart capable people was like I cannot have my process

be affected at all. And what my process is a total disregard for engagement or like in the first 10 seconds you have to hook them and then it has to be like I refuse to consider any of that stuff. I hate it. I just want to make my video that I think is good and then that's it and then put it out there. And what I want to do with you, Mr. Leprechaun, is give you that asset, that video, and you figure out the best thumbnail, the best title, the best I mean, are tags still a thing? I don't know. you figure out how to chop that down or re-edit it so it works in a vertical form. And I've put like a medium amount of effort into it with a couple of people and it's never

it has never been one fruitful or two like yielded something that I think is even worthy of putting out there. And I think it speaks to the nature of the content like I know how to sort of say something that works that makes sense for me in a six to eight or 10 minute format. I don't really know how to do it in a 20 or 30 second or 90 second format. Um, and I think like have you ever tried Did you ever really like go hard at I want to be the short form vertical video guy? Never. No. Just didn't feel right to you. No, because I don't like that level, that kind of engagement as a consumer. As a consumer of content, I think that um I this is language I made up, but it's like there's lean forward consumption

and lean back consumption. And I refer to lean forward consumption as sort of a passive consumption. Like I have some time to fill, so I'm filling it with this whatever it is. Lean back is when there's a deliberate decision made to engage with this content. So, like obviously streaming content or popping in a DVD if anyone does it anymore. Like that's lean back. But I also think like YouTube minus YouTube shorts is still that. Like I'm a big like history guy and every day when I like get my lunch here in the office, I like play a YouTube video that might only be six minutes long, but it's very much so lean back. like I'm choosing to watch this video and I click play and I watch

it and I'm engaged with it and I know what I take from that. When I'm done with that video, I'm left thinking about it, thinking about the subject matter or how it was made or whether it was interesting and it gives me value versus lean forward passive consumption. Like you know, you look at someone who spends three hours a day scrolling Instagram reels or on Tik Tok and you say, "What was the best thing you saw today?" you will get nothing but a blank stare back 100% like none of it registered. It's why I love the word scrolling, by the way, because it is it to me it's a perfect the thing you're doing. The fundamental activity is the scrolling. It's actually it's not about any of the videos. It is about the activity of scrolling. You

don't call it watching. You scroll Tik Tok. Like to me, that has always been so clarifying for me that it's like I watch TV and I scroll Tik Tok. And I think YouTube exists somewhere in the middle. I think YouTube kind of wants to be all things to all people on that front, but it is more of a watch platform to most people and at least at its best than it is a scroll platform, especially with its growth on television. Um, but also there's there's just a little part of me like I think I can make a good minute and a half long video. I've made some like Tik Toks that I'm I think are really great. I'm proud of them, but I it hurts me a little bit to know it's being consumed where like someone will

finish the video, whatever a scroll is a few milliseconds before and at some point in time they're on to the next. I think you're on to something. Um, all right. Before I let you go here, I want you to give me some very practical advice, which is like it on me. How to structure days, right? I'm I'm torn in this moment as we set up to make a daily thing. It's important to me that we do the best we can every I want to like try our hardest, but we have to make a thing every day. And I'm torn between wanting to like ruthlessly structure every moment of my life in order to make sure all of these things get done in a sane way, versus all of my actual creative instincts, which are just to completely reinvent

the wheel every single time and try something new and weird and different, which makes everything vastly harder on everybody, but is sometimes more fun. So, as somebody who did this day in and day out for many days, help what? How should I run my days to make this thing work? You asked me before about creators coming to me for advice. My least favorite thing is when a creator comes to me for advice, but they have everything figured out on paper and they're like, "This is the content I'm going to make. This is the structure. This is the flow. Here's" and it's like, one, if you figure it out, what are you asking me for? And two, why not just do that? And there's no like they haven't just done it because

it's completely theoretical and there's no affordance there for being dynamic which is what I think this world of new media that we live in necessitates like you really have to be dynamic and daily gives you a unique opportunity to embrace that kind of dynamicism. Were you a person who was like, I do my video from, you know, x hour to x hour and that's when I get it done or you were just like, let chaos rain. I trust that I will get it done when it is needed to get it done. I mean, the ambition was always like, you know, it starts in the morning and it's done late afternoon so I can start editing it that night. Like there's a number I remember some one specifically where I was like trapped in meetings all

day and I ran around and I filmed all this stuff and I got back to my house and it was like 8:00 at night and it was dark and I still feel this way but I hate it when it's dark because it just limits what you can do. It limits the visual appeal. Like and it's really hard like to be out in the real world if it's dark it's limited. But when I sat down I imported it what little footage I had but I was pretty sure it was enough to tell the whole story. None of my audio worked. Oh no. And I was like, is this a montage? Like, what am I doing here? And I grabbed my camera and my microphone. I like went up to the roof of my apartment building and I recorded like a monologue into the microphone

and I had like my laptop open. So, I sort of like watching the edit and it and I made the video work and I thought it was a good video at the end of that. So, that was one of those unique days where like the wife and kids are sound asleep and I'm up on the roof of my building at 11:30 at night with like a shirt on and pajama bottoms and slippers trying to figure out how to make this thing work. Um, so again, like this is what we were just talking about, which is like this was the dynamic nature. Like I had no rules that said I couldn't do that, but obviously my ambition was to approach it in a more practical like let's treat this as like a nineto-five.

Yeah, I like it. I think that is both there's something about that is both incredibly sort of fun and inspiring and also um exhausting and terrifying. And I feel like it should be sitting right in the middle of those two things feels like the constant goal of the daily poster of any kind. You just wait. You just wait till your internal monologue becomes you podcasting. Oh god. It's going to happen man. If you succeed it's going to happen. There'll be no turning it off. How can I do this for the podcast is already a thing I spend way too much of my time thinking in my head.

Dude, dude, get a notebook. Write it all down. You need as much subject matter. Like, your whole world is a juicy orange and you're about to squeeze that thing and really quickly you're going to be like, there's nothing left. Where else can I get subject matter from? Yeah, it's going to get wild out here. Um, all right, Casey, thank you so much. I we're going to need to check in at some point when my brain has fully melted out of my head, and you're going to have to you're going to have to put the pieces of me back together, but I appreciate all the help. I'll be right here. Thanks, buddy. All right, David.

All right, that's it for the show. Thank you to Casey for being here. And thank you as always for watching and listening. Like I said at the top, this is new to us. We are figuring out what we want this show to be. We're going to be around a lot more. We're going to be moving a lot faster. We're going to be doing lots of new things. And I want to know all of your thoughts and all of your ideas and all of your feedback. This only works because we get to do it with you. So, please send us email vergecastverge.com. Call the Vergecast hotline 866 verge11. Stop Neili on the street and tell him your ideas about podcasts. I want to hear anything and

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