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Yeah. Hello everybody. Welcome along to a wonderful summer's day. I feel like summer has finally arrived in the UK, which is fantastic because one of the sports I cover is in the summer and I've been freezing for the past number of months. So, welcome along everybody and welcome along to Jon Wilkin, Sam Tomkins, and a man who has done absolutely everything at this club, the Warrington Wolves, Gary Chambers. Thank you so much for joining us. Yeah. I am I was told that guest of all time, by the way. The what? Most reluctant guest on a podcast. Is this isn't your thing, Gary, is it?
No, like I said, I've got a face only a mother could love. So, yeah, I'll just kind of be careful of that, you know. And just remind you, this is predominantly a podcast anyway, so not many people tune in to watch. It's something people scroll past. So, what we'll do is we'll we'll use Gary's head on the thing and then everyone wins. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, we'll go for that, yeah. Gary, how did somebody from Cumbria turn out to be, well, as I said before, do almost every job here at Warrington, include play?
Um if you know what, absolute luck. It just sort of everything just sort of, you know, in life sometimes it just sort of fell into place. I was I played, I was I played 200 odd games. Did all right, it was nothing special, you know, but got picked every week and loved it. Um not to these two gentlemen's, obviously, standards, but yeah, loved it. It was tough then. Um when it to coaching, Paul Cullen was coaching at Warrington then, so I was uh got involved in coaching, coaching England 18s and was ticking over all right. Did that quite happily, coached some.
Um for England, and then just went with a different change. You know, went back to school, educating myself up again. You know, at that time, coming from Cumbria, a school wasn't a you study? Um uh sports science was my thing, but then I was in school. My role there was behavior and safeguarding and things like that. So, I was given a group of lads from Salford who were, you know, challenging. Uh by the time I'd finished them, they were best bunch. Not just me, they just they were just good young men who had lost a bit of direction. Spend a bit of time with them. We used to do loads of sport, take them for walks. Um there's only so much sports and walking I could do with them. I was
weight was dropping off me. I couldn't keep up with them and I thought, "What can I do?" You know, and I thought, "I've got to try and get them something." So, I started doing maths with them. I was always all right at maths at school. And they went from underachieving. I think out of the eight or nine of them, most of them got a C, the old well, old grade C or four now. Which is probably the best thing I've ever done in teaching cuz you're changing young people's lives then. Um got asked if I'd be a maths teacher. I said, "I will, but I need to learn it. I can do it, but I need to learn how to teach it." So, went back to uni and got a postgraduate maths. Um got that done in as you when you're doing maths and
you're teaching maths, you sort of move through the ladder quickly and then you end up as a deputy head. So, just look. And is that um Educating Greater Manchester? Is that how that came about? Well, yeah, yeah. So, Sorry about that. Yeah, yeah. Again, yeah. So, yeah. By the by the nature of what my role was, I was working with the most disaffected young people, the most challenging, and the ones who would had you know, the toughest lives. And I loved it and that was the best thing ever, working with those young people cuz they were brilliant. They took a bit of time to get on side and you had to win their trust like never before. But, once you won their trust and they showed that you cared,
they would do absolutely anything for you. And um we got a chance that there's been this series on in Yorkshire and I hear it was coming to our school and just cuz of the nature of what my job was, I was miked up, probably nearly every day, you know, morning tonight. Um And that's that's difficult, you know, like you've got a mic on and they're watching you all day long and I loved it and the most unique thing about it, when it finished, there was a big trailer park that was side, you know, like what we've got here. Big massive trailer. Never knew what was in there. Never even give it a second thought. At the end, uh the producer said, "Come with me a minute." And uh went down, went into the back of
this trailer and it was just full of monitors and people and they all said, "Open." You know, clapped. They'd seen me for that amount of time. Uh and it was weird like a weird feeling, you know, but somewhere I'll never forget, yeah. Yeah, I think what we'll do is pivot this podcast actually. I think cuz what Gary's experiences is, you know, we uh inevitably want to talk about rugby. But I think it's a real opportunity to talk about young people in the modern world. Like and the perspective Gary's got on the challenges they face. Sam, you're a father as well and Jenny, you've got a family, so I think this is an opportunity to talk
about some of the challenges that young people face in this society now. You know, we have all maybe got different experiences of growing up, but it's a different time now, Sam, isn't it for young people? Absolutely. And I did a little bit of similar work to what you did with this guy a few years ago and seeing how kids can be affected by a positive influence. Like that must have been huge for you. Just as what we take for granted, but showing a bit of care and showing a bit of love for somebody that you don't necessarily know that well so much in your family. Seeing them change must have been so You must have been so proud.
Obviously, it's it's sort of I can't put into words that feeling that you get, you know, on exam day when they've done well. And they've just got no aspirations. Some of them may be young carers. Some of them have low and confidence, you know, and in life in generally in life, what I used to say to people is we probably, God willing, have like 10 big occasions, really life-changing occasions. And your first one for most young people is exam time cuz they've had a really good life, no bereavement, nothing like that. These young people who I was encountering had probably had four or five significant encounters before they'd even got to the 15th, 16th birthday.
So, is that domestic disruption, um a you know, struggling home life? Everything. things that they've seen, young carers, just traumatic events that you know, and what's what's the national What do they do straight away? They put a guard up, and no one's It's the only way they can protect themselves. You know, they put a guard up, and no one's getting past that, and the only way you get past them is to show that you care. And just to keep telling them that you care, and the language I used to get and But then all of a sudden, I could walk down a corridor, and it would be stop, and they'd stop.
Stop doing that. Say sorry. And you think, how good's this? And how do you convince them, kids that have like you say, they've seen loads in their life? How do you convince them that a maths a seeing maths is really important? Cuz I imagine that would have been right at the bottom of their priority list when you first met them, doing well in school. And I don't mean to turn them around on this. Their aspirations sometimes was to follow what some of their relatives do, and some of some of the things that their relatives were doing were not necessarily good things to do. So, um and for one of the areas that I taught in was right on MediaCity, you've got the most affluent media place, and then the other side, you've
got a real a tougher state, a good great people in a tougher state. To get them to look to the opportunities that's in the media's MediaCity area rather than go into the estate was That was a big challenge, and it's just over time. You've got They've got to You've got to know that you care. And that doesn't come by just a couple of days of showing you care. It's day upon day of just relentless. And then that's it, you're all in, but you're all in then. That's You've got to look after them then. Yeah, and it's about consistency and authenticity to them. You know, you can fake care, can't you? You know what I mean? You can turn up one day and say like We see it in teams all the time. Like somebody can pretend that
they care about what you do. But over time, you that exposes itself. Like you've got to be consistent and authentic with that. I could never have a bad day. When you get to that position where It's like what we do here. The standards you walk past, the standards you accept. If I see the lads here leave stuff on the floor, pick that up. I'm I'm at them all the time. But it would take me half an hour to walk down a corridor, take your jacket off, take your earrings out, put your phone away, um tie your hair up, etc. All them sort of things. So, and I had to do that. I had to set those
standards cuz the staff were looking at me to do that. And if I hadn't, then they would have They wouldn't have said it. And then we lose it then. And we go from being We get to being a good school in Ofsted, and it's all the little things. Like it sort of what you do in rugby league, what you do in life, what you do in other jobs, it sort of amplifies it in a school because you're working with vulnerable and you know, young people who want to learn. Have you followed up on any of them kids that you had that influence on them? Do you know what they're doing now? Have they carried on doing good?
I was in Costa the other day at a meeting in Costa's meeting in Costa but and um I got to the obviously to pay and there was a young lady there. She went, "Sir." And I looked at her and I went, I can't obviously I can't say her name. I said, "How are you doing?" And she's like she come around, give me a bug. She says, "I just wanted to thank you for what you did for me." You like and Well, I got a free coffee out of it as well. Maybe three. Um Gary, how did that experience, you know, doing all of that good, how has that helped you? Because I didn't really properly introduce you.
Your official title here is director of rugby. You have also been responsible for a lot of the youth that we've seen come through, particularly this season. I mean, for you to watch the you and Owen, you know, Max Wood, Leon Hayes, Aaron Lindop we hope is back tonight to take on the Leeds Rhinos after being out for a year. What is it like for you to see those young players succeed and do what they're doing in 2026 because it is down to you. I've spoken to a number of people at the club over the past few weeks and it is down to your efforts and everything that you've done that you've brought these kids through and you've taught them and you've coached them and
you've almost led them to this moment. It's it's similar to being at school. You know, to get that realization and that belief that they can do things and you know, all I ask for them and that's all that everybody the staff from our pathways through the Sam is when they run out on the field we've got to get them ready that they look like Warrington Wolves players and not rookies. And God willing and sort of touch wood, you know, that's what they've done and they've done and they'll make mistakes and you know, it starts from I can't just take all the credit. It's it's a long process that we started years and years ago. I've been lucky enough to really been involved. I decided to leave teaching and come back in. I thought if I come in I'm going to
it's going full throttle this. We've got a number of big clubs around us. We've had to work super hard. Um you know, our community program has been unbelievably good getting into schools and amateur clubs and generating the game in Warrington. Um and then our youth program with not moving on this what we do with our pathways and you'll go mad at me Ryan. Um Ryan O'Brien who came in after me and he took it to another level. Um he's he's attention to detail, you know, his witty stuff have been unbelievable. And then even then again, you know, when I said I've been lucky, even to get Sam in Um you all know Sam. Sam has a unique ability that is able because of his in his formative years as a 17-18 year old,
he was highly regarded and played at a high level. That really, Renee, you know, resonates with our young players. He's able to communicate at that level cuz he's been there with them. Better than I or anyone else could do. But, he's also able then to sort of conduct his affairs with senior players and link that two together. So, that and his role and all what he's done in that has been massive and it all fits together. But, yeah, for me, I love it. Me ain't moving from here. I'm I couldn't be prouder of what this club is. I love it. I know no other way and, you know, I've dedicated best part of my life to it.
You've touched on something there that I think is really you not unique to sport, but you speak about Sam Burgess and the way you talk about him there is like a positive role model. You know, a real positive role model for people to aspire to. Sports teams are unique and different to school, aren't they? Because when you get into an elite environment, you've immediately got role models, Sam. You know, when you walked into that Wigan dressing room, there's just the You know what it gives you? Ambition. It gives you um like scope to go higher than you thought you were capable of. And that's the problem sometimes that's different to school, isn't it? There's a lot of other nefarious sort of actors around that can
drag you or keep you where you are. But, when you get into that first team the first time, Sam, that's like the lid's off, isn't it? starstruck. I remember coming into a first team environment for the first time, seeing players that I'd been watching on TV for 10 years, thinking, "Oh, these guys are unbelievable." All of a sudden, That's how I felt when I started working with you, too. I get it. Me, too, when I started working with you. Gosh. Um but that and I imagine that's what's Sam's not that long retired, either, is he? Really, you know, with the young kid coming in, I was coached first by Brian Noble, but I'd never seen Brian
Noble play. But, these lads will have seen Sam Burgess at the top of his game not that long ago and it will become it'll feel more like an achievable goal, won't it? That he's head coach, he's been through it all and he's, you know, at the same age as you and I are in right now. He was nearly an international at that age. So, they can probably see a more direct route to route and mentally for them to get there. He can tell them what he's about. He can give them that more than most could. I mean, I think last week, did you watch it? I only I watch everything that's going on.
He's on the field practicing with them. He's loving it. That's that's when he's in his happy place on the night, you know, he's playing. Yeah, he's playing. He likes to He's just happy with them like that. Iers before the game. And you think of all the adversity that Leon Iers has been through in his young career as well. It's I think Sam's got this really paternal instinct. He's got his challenges as well as all coaches do, but he's got this um this warmth about him that players connect to and his ability to connect with young players and old players and everything in between is something we talked about that. That
as a leader, right? You have to be able to talk to a 16-year-old and a 35-year-old. But them shots we saw in the warm-up last week and Sam's on there with Iers and it looks like it looked like two blokes at the park that were kicking a ball about. And then and it's arms round him and he's like, "Yeah, do this. Do that." And it was so nice to see cuz I think sometimes people can look at a sports team and they put the coach and the players in completely different areas, really. It's all these are the players and that's the coach, the dictator tells them what to do, but it's not, is it? It's It's like one of the mates. It's like another player. loving it, you know, and you can see that in him.
How important is it that he stays, Gary? How important is it that Sam Burgess stays on as head coach and how likely is it that he will? Yeah, it's so Sorry to Yeah, absolutely massive for us because I said it this morning time, it just fits unbelievably well that we've got this crop of young men. We've got another crop of young men and we've got I want year upon year of success. Um we're probably You won't want me saying this, further ahead than I thought we would be because I wasn't sure how they'd react when they came in and
they'll still make mistakes and things will still go wrong, but we're all right. Um and they'll keep coming. We've got a really good system there and we won't let up on that. We're going harder than we ever have done. Okay. So, for him to be here and set those standards, when I'm speaking to a player, they don't want to speak to me. You know, if we're interviewing other players or we go to Australia to speak to people. All they want to do is speak to him, you know, and he still has that sort of Star factor. that link there. So, yeah, for us he's very important. Um and you know, hopefully we can get that sorted soon and you know, and put to bed and then done.
Yeah, Gary, how important are parents Come on. in all of this puzzle, you know, youth development, schools, you know, challenges in modern schools in modern life for young kids. The role of parenting now is always been crucial, but it feels like it's it's such an important part. They have so because of social media, the demands that these young people go through in life, if you haven't got a robust family set up and people with good morals, good principles who you look up to, life's going to be difficult for you. So, even more so in rugby league cuz they're the ones who drop off, pick up, set standards. Look, what do we all want? I think everybody
you speak to will go in your environment, same at school, same in, you know, you want good people. So, that's what you want and you do that. No one's born naughty or with any other traits. It's what you pick up from your family and God willing that family environment, like I said, is a good family environment and you haven't got the traumas that go along with it. So, um parents are massively important cuz they give you the good people that you want in your environment. What we look for two things. We look for good people and people who work hard. The rest we can coach into them. You can coach We try and get them physically ready cuz, you know, you can catch skill up, you can't catch physical development up and they
have to work hard to do that. So, they're the things that we look for with them. Um we're hearing some great music at the minute. birds playing the piano. There's nothing he can't do. He's just playing the piano all day. He is. Um I'm not sure who the talented artist is. They're they're very good, but um again, one of the reasons that Warrington I suppose are doing so well at home, right? You haven't lost a game at home. Partly as well because of the um do you like what I'm doing here? I'm trying to bring the band in to explain. Partly because of the uh off-pitch entertainment. But, Gary, that's not a question for you. What I actually want to talk about is you and Owen.
Um when you first That was the longest question in podcast history. I'm trying to reference it is very loud. Um And Gary, if you could sing along about you and Owen today There is a song about you and Owen. I mean, he is that good and he's still so young, which is incredible. What do you remember when you first saw him? What was it that kind of struck you that made you think he's going to be a superstar? I have a bit of a connection with the Owens. You and Owen. I'll tell you what, if you weren't here and I wasn't on this, I'd be going mad.
I'm not joking here. I'd be going mad. Anyways, let's move on. I'm telling you this anyways. I have a really good connection with the Owens. So, Pat was with us first, his brother. Pat has been over to Australia. We brought him back. Um Pat will come in with us next year as well. How old is he? Uh I think there's 2 years difference. Right. Um Pat great older. great guy. Um He's just come back from being playing in Q-Cup. Um and then obviously when we were running camps, you and we came you and came down and it was one of them you're like Has anybody seen what I'm seeing here?
Well, Andrew Johns made a he singled him out, didn't he? Oh, he was and I will say at the time I sort of went to our media team and went just back off now. Yeah, everybody knows about him. Everybody is there. Uh Andrew Johns really likes him, and he's got that We'll just let him develop now. But what you The unbelievable thing about him is he's just like the quietest lad you've ever seen. Dead down to earth. Studies the game like nothing I've ever seen. You can't get him off the field. He's polite. He's got everything. And he's, you know, he's He's just a good role model for our young people who are coming through to see that you can do it.
You said something earlier. You said your job is that when these young kids come into the first team, they look like Warrington Wolves players. Well, he for me Yeah. stood out from day one. When he came on the field, yeah, in his face he looked about 13, but the way that he played We said it straight away when we were watching him, didn't we? We were like so cool. Belongs. Like It was like, is this his hundredth game or his first? Has he always had that sort of coolness about how he plays?
Yeah, cuz he prepares as well. He understands the value of preparation. It's hard to do homework, isn't it? And he treats himself like that. Uh The big test for me, I told his dad this, he won't mind me telling me. If you remember to last year when he played Hull KR, he got a real bad cut just before half time. But it wasn't one, you know, the one that cuts. It swells. You know, it's swollen, and then it split. And they're painful to stitch, and all the fluid's dripping and that. So at half time, you know, the doctor's plowing into him, and you could see him gripping the bench really hard. Uh He won't mind me saying this. And he stood up, and he, you know, he's got these stitches in his eyes puffed up, and I'm thinking, "This is his next, you know, we're all
making little steps. Let's Let's see how he goes." He disappeared into the toilet in Hull KR. All this You get stitched in the showers. You go into the toilets. Sam went round, and um Sam's like that. I was here, you know, and I don't know. He's gone in there. He come back out, and he grabbed Sam. He went, "Do not take me off this field." And that's That was the thing with him when I thought, "Well, that was like the next step. That would been a test for him. That was the one. That was the That was another step and he won't mind me say No one's saying it. That was just between us. He went to some doing and I took him off his field.
Yeah. You find out a lot about, you know, young players in that situation. And I don't think every player takes that chance today. No. Not every young cuz I reckon when you come into first team, you have an idea of how tough it is. And it is very tough until you have to play hurt, which ends up something you end up doing for 10 15 years and that was probably his first Yeah. experience of being really hurt and having to still go out and do your job and risk getting hurt again, which I think that would have been a massive test And you can still remember that. It's horrible, isn't it? You know, that first
bit when you have to go through you think this isn't normal this and then, you know, that was his test. But it's a bit like life that, isn't it, Garry? Because like I think people and in the modern world like with social media and how everybody presents, it's all about perfection. Like everyone puts this veneer across of like everything's perfect in life and that things are all perfect. Well, like rugby league in some ways is like life. It's hard. Yeah. Do you know things go wrong and it things break, things don't feel great, things are horrible, you're limping a bit, you can't quite, you know, it's never right. And if you want to play for any time, Sam, you have to make peace
with the fact that it's just incredibly difficult and it's at sometimes almost unbearably hard. And that's like life, I think. You have to get comfortable being uncomfortable for long periods of time and I think that's why the best players play for so long and you hear of injuries that certainly as they get, you know, late 20s, early 30s, players play with injuries now. And the very best players retire and then go back. Several times. You know what you said about life? You retired once. That's a good No, I did. I've only retired once.
You retired No, you retired twice. You came back I did. I came back once. You just talk about it that much you think it was more than once. Hang on a minute. came back, retired You retired 2023. Came back, yeah. Came back and you retired again. I didn't I just didn't say what I was doing. No, I just didn't do the opposite. I didn't say I was training. No, but I was contracted. It wasn't retired. I just didn't want to train for a while.
You said about life events, you know, when a young person's gone through maybe 10 big life events. Sam went through nine in 3 months. [clears throat] Anyway, sorry. You were saying? [clears throat] What was I saying then? No, sorry. Something about really good players being able to play late on in their in their Oh, yeah. The players get later on and we hear about players that play
with these crazy injuries. Like a Mickey McLorinan last year's Grand Final for example. And everybody watching goes, "That is not normal." But what you learn from being a young and old and injured and copping a knock like that it is and that's just part of the game. Unfortunately, we play a gladiatorial sport where injuries are inevitable, but you're going to have to get through them and Yeah. That's That's why it becomes normal cuz people like you and Owen get it really young. Well, that's why I like rugby league as well, but I think it stands us apart from many other sports. And I'm watching the World Cup in football and I think look, they've set some great examples.
Professional footballers set some amazing examples, but it's about excess and wealth and shiny and all of these things. You know, what rugby league is? Blood and guts and it's real and it's from the streets and it's real life. It's grotty at times. It's hard. It's blood. It's It's all of the things that we you know, we're brought up on in this part of the world. Yeah. It's part of our DNA. It's northern. It's gritty. It's It's It's difficult to do and that's what I love about it. It's a great sport for young people to get involved in. I won't listen to anybody who says, "Oh, you know, it's dangerous." Of course it is, but life is.
Yeah. And like embrace it. Get involved in a team sport because I suppose from your experience, Gary, when you're involved in a team environment, that can accelerate someone's ability to be fantastic more than anything else. Oh, it's it's it's a great point. A really great point. And if you do well in rugby league, you'll generally do well in life cuz it's all the traits that life needs. Honesty, resilience, good people, um hard work, all them traits there, and that's what, you know, we try and do with our young players. We get them to college, we get them to university, because we've got to make them successful. And if they do well in the
game, they'll generally do well out of life, and that's all you want out of them then, isn't it? That's how That's what our Kyle Amor got his job at Uber Eats as a delivery driver. He used all of those factors on his application form. Oh. Cuz he dropped off He did drop some dropped off 12-in pizza for me last night. Kyle is in great spirits. You know, he's worked so hard. It's time for on and off the bench. Um on the bench, Gary, is something you want to see less of in rugby league, sport, life, whatever you fancy. Off the bench is something you want to see more
of. You want to inject it into the game or in life. Would you like to go on or off first? Off. Something you want to see more of. I want to see more of more rugby league on TV, better advertised, you know, people appreciating what this product is, and getting the credit that it deserves week after week, um because we have like what everyone said, we have a fantastic sport that connects our community. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, no other sport does it like that and works harder than us to do that sort of thing. And yeah, that's what I want. I'd love that.
Um I've just I've been fortunate enough I went to Australia um for, you know, for Magic Weekend. I the club What were you doing over there? Oh, well, you know, I was scheming. Good fellow. Um to see what that is now, you know, when and it's becoming so big they can't keep pace with it. I'm thinking, why can't we have this? And when we deserve to have you know, we deserve it. And that's, you know, that's that's what I'd like to say. Mhm. Well, I'm hearing from all accounts that this year's Magic Weekend will be the biggest and the best. Yeah.
Fingers crossed. Um okay, so do you of you have an off the bench? I was going to put Magic Weekend on the bench, but it just seems like a bit of a dire thing to do now, doesn't it? I just thought it distorts the fixture list. When we were aiming for parity across the fixture list, I'm joking. I'm not putting Magic We love it now. Um off the bench, Sam? Off the bench, what do I want to see more of? Um people working on tills in supermarkets and not making you go to self-service.
Oh, yeah. More people working in supermarkets. self-service. Bring back It don't work. Does it don't work. It's Kyle Walker. It's another job for him. Can you imagine him going If you go to a supermarket and get the for The three for two days, Sam. What's Kyle Walker done to the three of you? But he's not here to protect himself. It's not Kyle. He's He's Cumbrian as well.
He is, yeah. Proud Cumbrian as well. That's a great one. Yeah. More people working in supermarkets. Self-service don't work. I got nothing in the bag. Wait for assistance, but you can't cuz assistance is looking after everyone else that's got the same flash up on the screen. So That would encourage anybody to do this, but if you just put loose onions and then put everything on the thing, is that still a thing? Yeah. I don't know what you're talking about. just put 12 kilos of loose onions through and then you come out with Just press loose onions Just say it.
Just weighs the thing and you'll get like, you know, you can get some shampoo. Some rolls you can walk out with. I got taught that. I got taught Someone said just put it through as loose onions. They're like, you're just stealing. That's Don't steal, kids. No, don't do that. Um on the bench, less of Gary. Just nail the captain's challenge. I'm bored, mate. It's It's It's league again, but you say nail it, obviously speed it up. You don't want to get rid of it. No, I've no issue with it at all. I really haven't. I think it's it's a good concept, but just try and I know it's difficult. But just try and do it a bit quicker. Just I've got See what it
is and make that decision and let's roll again. You know, as players you don't want to be stood around here. You want to get back into it again if you're in a rhythm. Keep that rhythm. That's That's probably the best way to describe it, yeah. Amen. That's good. Flow. Keep the flow of the game. Yeah. Um I've got an on the bench this week. I hardly ever get time to give my enlightening ideas away. This better be good, because it's a long question at the end of your hour, isn't it? Well, it's not. It's bands playing when we're trying to record a podcast.
Actually, it's to do with traffic. So, where I live, the streets are very narrow. Cars park either side of the street. And when terrace streets, so we understand how hard that When a car is dropping somebody off, maybe it's Kyle in the Uber, I don't know. But whoever is dropping people or things off, they just stop. And they block traffic. And I'm trying to get my little ones to school. And I'm on the clock. I don't have a lot of time. I need to whip in that car and get to school. But I've got somebody who's just stopped, doesn't care. If you have to unload shopping or people, just book or park. Book a suspension. You can sus- You can suspend areas in London.
You can do that. It's quite easy to do. You can go online and you can do it. I'll I'll try and get you the website for all you London listeners. Um but yes, What was it again? Just start from the top, because I've So, all the G Wagons, they all block up on Jenna's road. And you don't know which G Wagon or Bentley should be there. Who's blocked the Who's blocked my turning circle? Oh, what a shame. 30 minutes is up. Oh my gosh, the turning circle's blocked. They're getting their shopping out of the Ferrari in the middle of the road.
You had nothing to fear. What a joy. 30 minutes of our company. Yeah, I've loved it. We will say you are welcome. You are welcome anytime on the bench. Thank you so much. You're welcome. You're welcome, Jenna. Don't thank us. All right. You'll never get a half hour of thanks out of me, anyway. So, I've loved it. Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, the director of rugby at the Warrington Wolves, Gary Chambers. Thank you so much. It's been a pleasure.
Thank you.
