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How are you? How are you doing? Nice to see you, friend. How do you assess the current situation? At first glance, it looks like a "blue wave," perhaps a tsunami. What is your opinion? I think that's a very apt word. I'm looking at Talarico's results now. He leads Paxton by 1.13 million votes. Why do you think this happened? Why is this happening right now? Well, first of all, because Paxton is a terrible candidate. And it's interesting, you know, I was going to tell you that the AP exit polls show that six out of ten believe the United States made the wrong decision to attack Iran. 90% say that
corruption in government is the main factor in their choice. Six in ten disapprove of Trump's use of ICE. Six out of ten believe that rising prices are a consequence of Trump's policies, and the economy is a key issue in exit polls. Most people think Trump handled this poorly. You know, you can look at all this and think: Trump started his second term so well, and then, as we say in the UK, everything "went awry" very quickly. "It went awry," as you call it. So, by the way, that's right. Okay, we use different words, but it's a good thing I don't think you're in Britain right now. You are in a city that believes in America, we believe in the Second Amendment. Are you
in Washington now? You have a nice background there Yes. You are in Washington. Yes. In the capital of a beautiful country, where, by the way, you come and then return to Britain. Tell us what you think about what's happening in Michigan with Abdul . I don't know if you've talked to him. I know you talk to everyone. What do you think about his fight against his competitor? Yes. No, I didn't talk to him. Earlier on the air, I said that my view on the Al-Saeed situation is multifaceted. First, Paxton is a terrible candidate to run against him. Of course, Al -Said is very dynamic, eloquent, he is a great speaker. Sorry.
You said "microchip tax." Sorry, I meant Mike Rogers. Mike Rogers, sorry, Rogers, in my opinion, is not the kind of candidate to run against someone like Al-Saeed. You have a young, dynamic, progressive left-wing guy , against whose background Rodgers looks like an old grumbler. Um, and I think the Hayley Stevens story played into Al-Saeed's hands, and it was a pathetic political game of the worst kind. Um, but I also think he's been demonized too much. I mean, I want to hear your opinion, Patrick, because I think that constantly calling al-Saeed a jihadist terrorist when he's not is a bit like constantly calling Trump a Nazi when he's not
. This only helps Trump, and it has helped Al-Saeed, in my opinion, demonize him too much. Yeah, I guess the only difference is that Trump's sister never supported the Nazis 12 years ago in a tweet. I think this is the biggest difference. And Sister Al- Saeed wrote a tweet 12 years ago in support of the BM, the Muslim Brotherhood. And frankly, I know the situation in Britain is different than in the US, but a lot of people in America are a little concerned about what might happen when your sister and family support the Muslim Brotherhood. That's the problem. What do you say to that? Yeah, well, I remember I just came to CNN when the Arab Spring started. This was one of the first topics I had to cover as host, replacing Larry
King. And I remember that many people at that time were saying similar things about the Muslim Brotherhood. So, you know, it looks different today, but if you go back to the events of the Arab Spring, that was a pretty common attitude. In fact, Mike Rogers seems to have discovered that he too was saying similar things about the Muslim Brotherhood at the time. So back to the question: Do you really believe, Patrick, that Abdullah Saeed is a jihadist terrorist? I honestly don't know, because every time he's asked about it, he gets really uncomfortable. He's not one to be comfortable with that kind of statement, but I'll ask you another question, Pierce. You live in Britain, right? You know Rupert Lowe, who
produced a report that 250,000 girls were raped, and it seems 87 % of them were Pakistanis. Are you even a little concerned when we hear stories about the influx of all these immigrants, because you had Dominic Grieve on your podcast, I think a week or two ago. I think it was a great show. And that's one thing I like. Many people criticize you and often attack you. I think you're doing a phenomenal job, and we need more of these formats, because you have strong nerves, you're ready to have a conversation with anyone. But why do you think Poland has the lowest unemployment, rape, and crime rates among EU countries, and why don't they accept immigrants from places like Pakistan? Why do you think that is?
Well, there are nuances to your various arguments. I mean, the grooming gang scandal in the UK was a complete disgrace. The perpetrators in this particular scandal, which was shamefully covered up, were mostly British of Pakistani origin. This is undeniable. This is a fact. Many young white girls were horribly raped, abused, and molested. There was a systematic concealment of the facts for fear of being accused of racism, which was a stain on my country's reputation and should never have happened. I would add that successive governments since the turn of the century, starting with Tony Blair, who effectively opened the door to Eastern Europe, have completely failed to control immigration in the UK in this century.
As a result, the population grew rapidly. And we have an added problem not only with boats arriving from France, when tens of thousands of illegal immigrants land on the shore, and we put them up in three- or four-star hotels, which understandably irritates the locals. But the population is also growing due to the large number of immigrants arriving legally and illegally. The main problem was actually in legal migration, when for a long time families could come in large groups, five, six, seven family members per person with a visa. The problem is that this has created a huge burden on government services, which were already overburdened.
Here is an example: the National Health Service. When it was first created in the UK with free healthcare for all in the 1950s, it was great, but it was designed for a population of 50 million people. The population of the United Kingdom is now almost 70 million people. So, in some 70-80 years, the population has grown by 40%, while the infrastructure of the healthcare system has remained the same. If we extrapolate this to all other government services, such massive growth in our population has become unsustainable. And successive governments, both conservative and leftist, have completely failed to address this problem, and it is becoming increasingly acute.
By the way, I must tell you that all of this is undeniable. I guess I respect the fact that you just said that. So the bigger fear in America is that they watch a lot. When I talk to a lot of people, we have a lot of different people here from different walks of life. When we talk to people here and they look at what's happening in Germany, France or the UK, they just don't want it to happen in America. That's all. And, by the way, Michigan. Yes, but, Patrick, I say yes, but I see a lot of Americans, and for some reason I think it's fueled by people like Rupert Lowe, like Tommy Robinson, who, by the way, isn't even Tommy Robinson. His name is Stephen Yaxley and these guys are hot, in my opinion, I
live in the UK a lot of the time. I was born and raised there. I have a place to stay in London. I travel a lot around the UK. I was recently in the Midlands, in Birmingham, and so on. I in no way accept the assumption that we were occupied by Muslims. This is simply not true. The Muslim population of Great Britain still makes up 5-6% of the country. There is no occupation. I live in a very multicultural city, London , and that's simply not true. 65,000 people are accused and prosecuted for criticizing radical Muslims or other politically incorrect statements online.
You know, there is oppression in Great Britain Pierce, this is Roger Stone talking about how many people can't criticize. Yes, the numbers aren't that big, but there were a ridiculous number of people who were arrested for comments on social media. I think this goes against Britain's commitment to freedom of speech, and it shouldn't be. But the UK has also seen a significant decline in violent crime, something that is never mentioned in the United States, but it is an undeniable fact. Violent crime rates have been steadily declining in recent years. So this idea of a "Muslim occupation" leading to a massive increase in
violent crime is simply not true. And you know, I think our Muslim population is five or six percent. There are, it seems, five or six million Muslims in America, and the vast majority assimilate well in both countries and do not cause any problems. So I just said that we have to keep these things in some proper perspective. I don't know why, but many Americans, warmed up, as I am, by people like Tommy Robinson and others, have the impression that we have been taken over and the whole country is out of control. Honestly, I live there. This is not true. Pierce, this, this is 100% true. You are blind, or you want to be blind. This is the first thing. And the answer is my question. Why don't we have.why don't we have such problems in
Poland? Why? Why, Pierce? Why don't we have these problems? Why? We don't even, we do n't even discuss it. Over 7 million, over 7 million Ukrainians crossed the Polish border when the war began. Over 2 million remained in Poland, and there were no problems. No problems at all. That's why I said that Islam is not compatible with Western values as we know them. Listen, look, look, I invited you to my show because I respect the fact that you have a large audience in Poland, and I enjoyed our debate. You lost me the moment you said you would ban all Muslims. Of course, I would ban it. Of course. And you. And you think Britain should ban all Muslims?
I would forbid it. Just like Christian churches are banned in Saudi Arabia or Qatar. This, this, this is the same. I think we are equal. Okay, but let me just remind you that there are 2 billion Muslims in the world. Yes, that's why I'm letting them stay. Let them go to Qatar and the Saudis. They can go. Why are you so.why are you so biased against 2 billion people? I told you because it's better to be biased but alive than to sell out to the Qataris. I told you. I answered. I want to be a living prejudice. Let me be alive biased. Let me be a
Christian. Let me eat my pork. I.I want to live the way I want. I don't want Sharia law. And that's exactly what's happening. You.stop you. Excuse me, who is stopping you from eating pork? I'll tell you.I'll tell you a story that I told Patrick recently. I'll tell you who. Schools in Brussels. You see.why.Where are you now? Are you on Earth? This is a very famous case where a little girl.her mother was asked to come to school because her pork sandwich was offensive to the other students. If you don't know about such cases, we shouldn't even be discussing this topic. This is a very famous case.
There are no, there are no, there are no Christmas trees here. There is no "Merry Christmas" here. Happy holidays. Don't be offensive. I want Christmas. I want Christ. This is a Christian continent. Why don't you come to London for Christmas, huh? And during Christmas week you will see a lot of Christmas trees and you will eat a lot, you will eat, you will eat a lot of pork. No problem. In the UK, it is legal to eat pork. You are allowed to celebrate Christmas. Trust me, I will do both. I love pork and I love Christmas.
Thank you very much, but I don't have security and a limousine like you do. I don't live, I don't live in this beautiful part of London. Reality, reality is like this, Pierce, listen. The reality is zero illegal migration, which means zero problems. Like in Poland. Be like Poland, Pierce. Well, because. Be like Poland. I, I wish there was. Yes, but I already told you. I was in London filming. Pierce, I was filming. A few months ago. I was walking around and the police told me, "It's under Sharia jurisdiction, don't go there."
This, this for me, what is it like in London? And I've been in London since the 80s. Sharia jurisdiction. There are no legally operating Sharia courts in the United Kingdom. You, you are right. But they exist. Yes, that's the problem. Yes. This is the problem. Well, yes, but none of them have legal force in the UK over British law. And it won't But we don't have this problem in Poland, because there are zero jihadists in Poland. No problem. We don't need to discuss this. No need. Either Romania or Hungary. I love Poland. That's why I do what I do.
I have been to Poland several times. I invite you to come and visit. See the difference, Pierce. I'll buy you a nice, nice pork sandwich. We can leave at 2:00 am for the center of Warsaw. Be a guest. I will pay for your flight. I'm not as rich as you, but I'll get you a ticket. I'll book you a hotel. We're going for a walk. We will eat a ham sandwich at 2:00 am on Saturday. You will see the difference between Warsaw The last time I was there, I remember going to a football match in Poland, and I don't think I've ever been more afraid for my life than I was then. So the idea that you are accusing us of violence is nonsense. You are a very strong country with many strong people, just like my country. But you know,
Poland is simply not perfect, and Great Britain is not perfect. I am willing to admit our shortcomings. What I am not ready to accept is that my country was taken over by a Muslim invasion, because that is complete nonsense. Okay, but what about the new mayor of Birmingham? Does he speak English? Can he? The Mayor of Birmingham? Yes. Does he speak English? Yes, I assume he's talking. I've never met him, but I assume so. I have, I have, I have some doubts. This is number one. What about slaps? What about, what about, I haven't finished yet. This is one of the most ridiculous.
The reality in the UK is that you cannot win any local elections without the official support of the Muslim community. Is that true, Pierce Complete nonsense. OK. No, no, no, then we are on different planets. Me, I lived in London for 5 years, you know that. We are on different planets. I can, I can see the difference. My family is there now. I know what the difference is. And the fact that I was banned from traveling on a diplomatic passport is the main proof that there is no freedom, because your country I would not ban you.
Please? To be clear: I wouldn't forbid you if I were running the country, but I don't you keep telling us: yes, we have a problem with this. This should not be the case. I wouldn't do that. And then you say, "Oh, that's great. That's normal." You see every single one. I'm trying to say, I'm trying to say, I'm trying to say that I invited you to my show because I fundamentally believe in free speech and in hearing different opinions. And I believe But the problem is, but we're talking about the country, not you. Country Talk, but I'm not the Prime Minister. A fundamental, fundamental right is freedom of speech. And the communists, the first thing they did in Poland-they took away our freedom of speech. This is what's happening right now in
This is a real, real, real, real fear, Pierce, that a lot of people here have. But Pierce, as always, thanks for taking the time to come. I'll give you the last word if you want to say anything, and then we'll continue. All I want to say is that I enjoyed my debate with your Polish guest the other day on my show. He is always a welcome guest. I love hearing different points of view. I will simply always defend what is happening in Britain because I do not recognize the way some members of the conservative right in America portray it. And I think people like Tommy Robinson are deliberately misleading them. And it's time to put an end to that, because there are valid arguments about things like
immigration that I would totally agree with. I was just told on the phone that the mayor of Birmingham speaks English. So thank you. This is good information, because we wouldn't even ask such questions about Polish mayors. Well, I also want to add, Patrick, that tonight is a truly big event for people like you and me. I think this whole world of content creators that we're in right now is where people turn to on these big election nights. We saw this in the 2024 elections. We see it again tonight. Nice to be with you guys. It 's nice to have you on my show. I think this is where young people, in particular,
want to get information, analytics, and discussions right now. You are very versatile, your podcast PBD is a broad platform. That's why I love you. I like coming to you. We had great discussions. I hope it will continue to be so . We are defenders of free speech, and I will always be grateful to you. I have to say, I think you like coming here. Whenever people criticize you for something you do, I always say that I like that he does it because it makes people connect with each other. So I want to support you for the great work you do, Pierce. Thank you very much for taking the time. I appreciate you. We'll talk soon. Thank you, friend. Thank you. Viewers listening to this, comment, tweet me. I want to hear your thoughts
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