Mossy Earth's 2026 Plans: Rewilding, Permitting Challenges, and Community Engagement

Mossy Earth's 2026 Plans: Rewilding, Permitting Challenges, and Community Engagement

Mossy Earth hosts a live Q&A discussing their 2026 plans, including new rewilding projects in Portugal, Ecuador, and Indonesia. They address challenges like permitting delays, invasive species management, and geopolitical impacts. The team also shares insights on community meetups, field notes, and the importance of local partnerships in conservation.

Mossy Earth Plans for 2026 and Live Q&A. | Transcript:

Here we are finally. This is uh this is new. So, welcome everyone. Welcome everybody. Um for yeah, all of you joining us uh today, just beware. Matt uh like we've had a massive storm yesterday. Well, last few days here in Portugal. Last few days. And Matt had to drive uh quite a few hours, you know, and dodge uh flooded roads to get here. So that's why we're persisting even though um we're getting some power cuts because of the storm as well. So just be mindful if the stream suddenly just uh yeah goes off. That's that's the reason why. Yeah. For context of my drive, this drive should take 2 hours uh left on time. And my house is there's a down

the bottom from my house is a stream. It was flooded. Couldn't cross. Went to another area where I can normally cross. That was flooded. I've never seen that flooded. So then I spoke to this old boy and he said there's one other there's one other route you can try. It was essentially this goat path 25ks of goat path through the uh through the hills actually an area that I run so I was luckily I kind of knew it fairly well and then eventually after navigating some fallen trees got on the tarmac and raced here just arrived and uh yeah what with this being our first one a few technical hitches there's some babies in the house. Yeah little uh but here we are and it's good.

Yeah. So, yeah, I think for those of you wondering why we're doing a live stream, I think the this year we want to give it a try to find kind of a new medium to answer your questions to kind of connect with people. Um, and later on we'll, you know, maybe be doing them um with our biologists about a certain project and so on. Um, so we're still sort of figuring out the format. And the reason we didn't announce it earlier on is because we kind of just want to try it uh like lower stakes, lower risk, but uh yeah, we do really have the ambition to um to live stream more this year and to give it a proper crack. Um but uh yeah, maybe also connected to that, we should talk about the like the meetups that we want to do.

Yeah. So uh we were in at the beginning of December, wasn't it? We um had a member meetup in Copenhagen and member meetups is something we've wanted to do for years, haven't we? You know, we've been talking about it um and never getting around to it and you were living in Copenhagen and you had a week or two weeks left there and just before moving back here to Portugal to this quiet rural area, which wouldn't be an ideal place to have a member meetup. Um so, you were like, "Let's do one." And uh and it was really cool. Yes, it was. You Yeah. threw it out there last minute, but we got um around 30 people. Um it was myself, you and Delhi and Julia, your partner, and uh your new son as well. And it was lovely. It was really cool. I

almost uh like regretful we didn't do it early. It was just we did a short presentation, sort of a some updates on Mossad, etc. But it was just really nice. Then after that was just sitting down and taking coffee with members and just shooting the breeze, chatting um meeting new people. Yeah, it was really wonderful and a lot of good feedback, a lot of good ideas came from that. Um like for me as well right at the end of the meet up um lovely member called to be he approached me and said ah while you were talking about your project in Portugal I realized that um I'm going to be on holiday in the mirror area where your project is um can you give [clears throat] me some GPS points so we can go and visit some

some sites? I was like no just send me an email and I'll drive you around. And about a week, I think it was about a week after two weeks after the meetup, I'm there with Tobias and his partner. We're taking him around the project and every you might get a lot of meals. Yeah. Moving forward. Yeah. Right. I should Yeah. But I mean for me like I've run into people like randomly like on a train or something like that were like, "Oh, you must you know, I watch the videos and so on." But this was kind of different because you know we made a plan to be in a room and actually I've never met so many members in one go and that was really special to just hear

everyone's thoughts and have this real kind of feeling of understanding about like how people perceive our projects and so on. So yeah, the meetups have been a the meetup has been like a really like good vibe, you know. Um, and it felt like something worth doing in the age of, you know, the AI starting to make loads of videos and the online world getting really noisy that somehow meeting people in person is kind of an antidote to that. Yeah. Doing something real. Yeah. So, we want to try to do more of this um Yeah. this year. So, maybe you want to try to like read out the dates.

Yeah. I think I know them off by heart. test me. Um, so the first one is 7th of March, Saturday the 7th of March in Lisbon. And we're doing that first one because we're actually having a team meet up, Mossia team meet up some days before. So it won't only be myself, Dwart, and Delhi who were at the Copenhagen one. There'll be other members of staff there, which will be really cool. Um, so that's the first one, 7th of March in Lisbon. Then it is 23rd of May in Vienna. And Vienna is actually quite close to one of our projects in Slovakia. Um, and Adriana who manages our project there in Slovakia, she's agreed that um, she would come and also present a few slides cuz she manages that project and the Danube actually runs through Vienna and

then it runs through Slovakia where we're working. Just seems like uh, the right thing to do. Then after that, uh, July the 11th in Berlin. Then it's 25th of July in London and then bit of a gap and then we've got one for Amsterdam 31st of October I believe it is. Um and what's really nice as well at the Copenhagen meetup for example, one of the members is from Berlin and he's helping us organize the Berlin one. So it's it feels like it's a team effort. It's really cool. And don't you know if you didn't catch that, we will put the dates in the description and so on. And eventually we'll also send this out to members because it's members only. So we only for monitor members to book these

events. Um and yeah, we'll uh yeah, let you know when you're when there are more. Um so I just wanted to take a quick look at the chat and the questions. We're going to try to answer a few of these questions as we sort of go along. Um but yeah, hello to to everyone here. You know, as you can see, we are we're new to live streaming. So Patrick, you're asking when are we coming to the Netherlands? Well, we don't have a project in the Netherlands, but um we are uh coming to have a meet up there on the 31st of October. So, there's your answer. Um and I see slow Mobius with the 10 Canadian.

Thank you very much. Uh what you guys do, everything you do, you guys are an inspiration. Yeah, thank you. That's always nice to hear. Thank you. Um let's see some more questions. Is there a consensus on the favorite cheese of the Mossy Earth team? Um, I don't eat cheese and I don't think Matt does either, I'm afraid. I know that the other day when we were in the land, she likes a good sheep cheese, I want to say. I think it was her neighbor's goat cheese. Goat cheese handmade all wrapped up in a little tin fork. I imagine that from her neighbor. Very good.

Um, cool. And let's see if you need any Americans projects. We actually have an American project that should be coming your way, a video this year about this. Um, it's in Colorado. Um, but thank you very much also for the offering the help and yeah, I'll uh I'll try to get back to some questions in a bit. And uh maybe now I think it'd be worth it to chat also how we're going to try to change things this year. So, one of the topics I thought that would be worth like discussing here on YouTube is what we're going to put out here on YouTube. So, as many of you know, last year was a bit crazy for me. I'm the main person

doing the videos. So, uh I uh my dad died and I had a kid and so, you know, it was a lot of running around really hectic. Still tried to make some nice videos. Actually ended up making some really long and like elaborate videos as well in amongst all of this. Um, so that essentially we only got like nine videos out to you last year, which you know the previous year was maybe around 12 or something and the year before was probably around 20ome and the year prior to that as well, 20some. So I think, as much as I'd like to go in depth into some of these stories, I think I'd really like to try to increase that. So this year we're making some plans to rely a little bit more on uh our ecologists that are visiting these

projects anyway to film some of these um stories and bring them to you. So they'll be doing the filming, I'll be doing the storytelling together with them so we can yeah really kind of increase the amount of uh project exposure that you will get this year. Um so that's what's going to happen on the main channel. We're aiming for around yeah 20 uh videos this year. And alongside that, we're also going to try to do a few shorts. You know, YouTube keeps pushing us to do shorts. Uh I am I have mixed feelings about them because, you know, they are, you know, a little bit kind of brain numbing sometimes when you're like scrolling, but they are worth our time, I think, in the potential they have to allow us to reach

new audiences. So, we're going to invest some time to make a couple of shorts for every main channel video that we make um this year. So, you should be seeing a few more of those pop up as well on the main channel. And of course, we've talked already about doing these live streams. The intention right now is to do a live stream a month. Uh we will announce it more in advance so we can gather questions from our members and really get into more depth. Um you know, I want to, you know, get some biologists on there. I'll do quite a few of them with Matt. You know, we'll we'll try to get like mix it up a bit. Um, but yeah, we'll we'll see how the medium works for us because we've made a I think we've

started what, Matt, two podcasts or something like this before and we've generally uh yeah, I thought gotten busy or we're notorious for uh being unable to Yeah. stick to our stick to a schedule. So, just cuz we're Yeah, we're both quite busy. And going back to your point about Yeah. Not only sadly did your father pass and you've had a son, but video for those who don't realize, it's a full-time job for you and it's a full-time job to run the company. you're juggling many things at once. So, it gets busy. But this year, we're bringing in reinforcements. So, hopefully it's uh it's going to ease up and we'll be able to do those live streams. So, it's an ambition. That's maybe the way that you can uh um yeah, you can view

that. And then we also have a second channel for those who don't know. Um it's the Mos Earth Field Notes channel. Um there we have this more sort of uh lower burden in terms of editing. So, we make it really simple. we just publish kind of almost raw uh from the from what our biologists film on the ground and we're aiming to do um two videos per each one of our teams per quarter. So that's more or less what we're trying to do. So we have four teams. Um and then whenever we have some international projects that we can cover as well. So international projects is you know any kind of partnership project that isn't actually like our team that's running the full project um then also this uh should show up on that channel.

And we also do a lot of shorts there. So that's already uh that process has already started actually on the reefs front. We've been posting them for a few months, but now all the other hubs also are posting these. Um and yeah, essentially there you can expect around two shorts per hub per week. So it covers like sometimes it's just showing you some of the wildlife that's there, sometimes it's like giving you insight into something that's happened at a project. I think they're actually really interesting. So, um, yeah, I just outraised the four teams. So, these four teams for those that haven't been watching our field notes is, um, Ecuador, Indonesia, Portugal, and Scotland. And the feedback I've been

getting is like if there's a particular project that really resonates with you, you can, you know, you can follow its progress because there's so many intricacies with these projects and updates and it's just a nice way to be, you know, if you're really into the coral or you really want to go down the rabbit hole about what we're doing here in Portugal, you can. They're they're really good from that. Yeah, we've noticed also that like when new members give us feedback, there's like about 25% of them are saying that they're watching it. So, it seems to be quite important for group of people. So, I think it's really nice that we're able to do this and that people find meaning

in this. And yeah, some of these videos actually get quite a few views, which is pretty cool as well for you know, such raw uh direct from the hor's mouth kind of videos, you know. Yeah. Um and yeah, just a final note, all our four teams also have now their own uh like social channels where we are posting these videos. So these are to help communicate the projects locally. Um we'll also put them all in the description here of the live stream and uh and yeah, I think it's a nice way for them to sort of speak a bit more directly about the project and for the communities that live around those projects.

Yeah. Um, yes. So, we've got uh Wilder Reefs Indonesia, [snorts] Wilder Yuni for Ecuador, Wilder Mirror for Portugal, and Wilder FS for Scotland. And Portugal has an English and a Portuguese version that's just on Instagram, I believe. So, maybe we're not fully informed on this matter. I think so. Yes, I know that there's a Portuguese videos coming up. So, and then yeah, the final thing I would like to say for the video on the video side of things is, you know, I really enjoy the um type of videos that we are making on YouTube and the stories we're able to tell and I think uh people it resonates with people, but sometimes the formats can be a bit limiting.

You know, you need to like have fast-paced videos and you know, they need to be kind of quick. [cough] Um, so I've been wanting to make a documentary and um, that's a big ambition. We won't reveal exactly what we're going to do with that documentary yet, but hopefully we'll get that done this year and we'll organize some viewings that people can buy tickets and attend and we can hang out and um, yeah, all sort of, you know, bond around like a bigger, more in-depth uh, like view on a project um, and a reason to meet up, right? come and yeah it'd be great to [clears throat] have people come to a cinema independent cinema perhaps and just yeah hang out before and then hang out after do yeah Q&A about a bit like the meetups but we also show a video

yeah have a big bone to chew on yeah exactly nice so that's been a bit of a dream because you know maybe sometimes the format on YouTube yeah is a bit like rushing you um because that's just how it works and I look forward to the idea of like taking it taking the time to tell that story and you know like show each shots in the way that it deserves and you know maybe it's some kind of filmmaker arrogance but I'm I'm excited about this uh opportunity. And um of the 20 videos that are going to be on the main channel this year can we tease any of the subject matter or you want to keep that under wraps? Keep that under wraps.

It's okay. Fair enough. Um cool. Maybe we can answer a few more questions and then we hop on to the travel. Yeah. Yep. [snorts] Okay. So, I'm glad you didn't be able to read those. There are a lot of comments. So, um yeah, let me see if there's a new projects we're starting in 2026. Any come to mind, Matt? Uh like major ones? So, it's it's not necessarily new locations, but new interventions in existing uh areas. Um, I can think for example here in Portugal working more on this invasive blue crab in the river mirror. Um, the endangered fish as well in the mirror.

Endangered fish in the mirror. um more private land owners that live along or close to the river are signing up whereby we draw up a management plan as to how best um restore um their land or protect enhance the biodiversity on their land which is really cool. Um so yeah, a lot going there in the mirror. We're also going to try some uh new structures on the coral front. There's a yeah a few new uh new ideas new looking for a new location a whole new location also we're kind of almost there in terms of selecting that new location which is pretty exciting. We want to get into sort of deeper into Indonesia in a place where we really are adding like massive value by just being there as well. So I think

that's like quite the challenge for the team there to find this location. They're going to have to live there. So yeah, it's that's been quite a quite an undertaking but we think that we're very close now. Mhm. [clears throat] And then in Ecuador, we got uh vanilla kicking off sentinel trees. So vanilla, we're we're going to help some u some people in the community to grow vanilla, which is a crop that can be grown without damaging the rainforest. So it's kind of a reason to keep the rainforest standing. Uh and it's like a high value crop. So we're trying to find ways to create economic value for people in this area that borders the national park next to our land. Um but of course more

a lot more on this later. So that's one. Um also there we are going to get the sentinel trees done this year. So that's gathering u both acoustic um samples and gathering edna I believe still from the water on the trees um to kind of get a sense for like what animals are living up there and what's um what's the state of the forest by you know having this kind of baseline of um acoustic data. the rope bridges, I guess, that started last year, but uh continuing but continuing. There's going to be quite a bit there in Ecuador. And we've also had Leah join. She started in January, a new conservation biologist there in Ecuador. And she's kicking off with a community social study. So, we get a baseline there.

Um which we [clears throat] yeah, really exciting to see the feedback from once she's spoken to the local communities. Okay. Well, I see uh so many comments that uh I don't know how people actually do this like [snorts] sit through this. Um maybe yeah, this is kind of a relevant one still sort of connected with this question around projects which is how do you so Camila 21 great name uh asks how do you decide where to start a new project? Um, and I think for us for a while this was a kind of a tricky question and it's mostly where there's opportunity when we were working with partners. So

where there's an organization that's doing some really good work um in a relevant location that needs work done that's kind of how what that's been the main filter. It sounds a bit broad but and then when it came to creating our own teams it was a mix of like where we had some experience where we could understand the threats and the challenges and where we saw an opportunity. So for an instance in Ecuador, we were invited by Freddy to start something there because Freddy saw that this land was going to go for sale and it was uh going to be so Freddy is the Kichua man that lives there uh on our land now and um yeah he identified the fact that this land could be sold to someone who wouldn't treat it

very kindly. So he invited us in. So there we just sort of spotted an opportunity and jumped in or in Indonesia where we started our reefs project. Um there it's more um the fact well I knew Yudi from when I was doing my dive master and Yudi just wrote me hey I want to restore some coral. I saw you guys do rewalding nature restoration. So um can we do something and we're doing something now? So sometimes it's a bit like not trying to purposefully go out and look for something because then you're kind of trying to fit uh something that yeah, you're maybe trying to force something that won't work. And I think an example of that is we were looking to create one of these teams in Iceland and we actually found that it just didn't

really fit exactly to like build a team there. Um we didn't find the correct opportunity even though we were pushing for it because it's a location where we have a lot of projects. Um, so we stuck to just working with partners and because that works great over there. Um, so yeah, I'd also say there's some underlying threads as well, isn't there? Looking for so, you know, we have a responsibility that we're giving the best sort of environmental bang for our members buck, getting their value for money in terms of protecting enhancing biodiversity that project intervention is sort of backed by science. Um so yeah these underlining with opportunities I mean here in Portugal uh I had been living up in this area in

Lisbon I moved to the south and when I moved to the south I was just hearing a lot of people talking about this problem of abandoned eucalyptus and this led me um I spoke to many different people and then realized that there was an opportunity for um this idea of restoring abandoned eucalyptus plantations. Then what with the river mirror and we'd come been to the south for various different other project. There's there's temporary ponds that are very important there in the south of Portugal. We just sort of felt drawn with me moving down there hearing a lot about abandon eucalyptus and uh yeah and it was a space that um there wasn't much sort of work being done. So we yeah we started there and has developed.

So I just [clears throat] tackle one more question before we get to the next bit which I think it's quite a relevant one [clears throat] which is there a possibility to do more updates on past projects because um right now it feels as if you work on a project for maybe a year and then abandon it for another recurring updates would be nice. So I think actually on the main channel you will see that we're doing mostly updates. So this past year actually most of the videos were an update on a past project. um as much as I would actually like to be doing more new projects um and this year will be also a lot of updates on past projects but if you really want to follow the nitty-gritty of the projects I think

it's this field notes channel where we like are on a regular basis like posting like exactly what is happening on the ground and then another you know of course our members can check the field reports there we you know it's essentially like an email where we publish everything that happened that month So members can really keep up to date. Uh maybe this is something YouTube viewers are not fully aware of, but members stay up to date also uh through these reports on their email. And I think in the future I'd like to bring a few more of these like updates like kind of wrapping up a project like what you mentioned uh to the YouTube channel. maybe get a few of them together and make one video kind of closing up tying

up a bunch of stories in case it makes sense or using these live streams as a way as well to sort of tie up a few loose ends that people would like to know about perhaps. Um, cool. Um, Matt, do you want to introduce travel? Yes, that's been a big thing as well. Yeah. So, we uh not short of ambition. Uh so we decided to look at nature-based tourism and launched just a couple of weeks ago. Um and one of the main reasons is we were getting a lot of feedback from our members. Um a classic sort of [snorts] comment was I've signed

up as a member, super happy. Uh but is there anything else I can do or how can I get how can I learn more? How can I get involved more? Um, so we've created these um, rewalding tours starting off in Portugal and Indonesia. Um, they're sort of five or six days long and the idea is to combine, so somebody that is there for those days. They're learning a lot about nature restoration, a wider context. They are getting their hands dirty. It's not a boot camp, so people are not sort of planting trees from 8 in the morning till 8 at night, but they're getting um an insight into the different types of interventions and depending what's going on at our project at different times of the year, it could

be anything from tree planting to removing the invasive species to putting up fencing to yeah, a variety of things. So then they're they're not only getting a broad context in ticking the learning box, but um getting that getting one's hands dirty and learning again in that way, but also um just hanging out with likeminded people um getting to know the team at Moss Earth, getting to know the biologist, getting yeah other um guests on the tour and also people want a bit more purpose to their trips these days. And that was something else we're getting through our feedback and I'm yeah, I'm really excited for them. I think they're they're going to be wonderful trips. Um so the first one and just maybe to like contextualize

this for people like we [clears throat] believe from a reing perspective like essentially an ecosystem [clears throat] sorry an ecosystem stays standing in good condition when there's like economic value behind it or when it's just protected. Sorry maybe you continue on. [cough] Um, yeah. So, I mean, nature-based tourism, it's been proven time and time again to be a sustainable revenue stream to help protect nature and give nature a reason to be protected. I think exactly. That's what I wanted to get at. And I think it's like one of the few things that you see that yeah, actually kind of can coexist with a fullon healthy ecosystem. Like you can have a piece of land where maybe you're

extracting things in a way that's not so damaging from that land or you know you can treat it in a kind way but still extract something but tourism is almost like a purely leave it alone uh source of income to help that land. So for us it was a bit of a between members asking us um it was a bit of a no-brainer but I think for some people maybe they might not be like ah you guys are getting into travel uh you know there's a carbon footprint associated with all this you have to travel this and so on. We have considered this and in I think the looking at the bigger picture if you're going to take a trip we think that this trip is worth taking just for how much it helps these like areas that are kind of

becoming these repositories of biodiversity and that are really kind of holding the fort. So I think there's different layers of uh yeah of problems here. And I find that this the destruction of nature on the landscape itself is a really big one that tourism can help to the detriment of things like emissions. But in my maths uh it's it's worthwhile. And of course people can always visit a project that's local to them. Go come here to Portugal with the train. Go to uh you know where maybe we will do them in Slovakia eventually. go there with a train. Like I've I've done all of Europe by train. Uh so I'm well aware that it is possible and it's actually quite a nice way to travel. So that's

also possible if people don't want to actually get on a plane to get there. Yeah. And funny enough the we launched what a week or two weeks ago and say on the Portugal trip there are three Portuguese people joining. So they'll be driving down or taking the train and it'll just be really nice opportunity to yeah show the work that we're doing, inspire people, learn a little meet. Yeah. It's it's it's going to be a really nice opportunity for all. Cool. Um and then yeah, the travel for now. Uh we've uh are we gonna actually I don't know this. Are we opening this up to non-members at this stage? Okay. So, we'll also include the links in the description if people want to book.

Yes. Um we have a few trips open but not uh loads of them because we're taking it easy trying to kind of learn. And we'll launch more trips as we go, either with partners that have been asking for this or at our own hub locations. Yeah. So, at the moment, for this year, for 2026, we have three um six day trips to Portugal and two to Indonesia at the core restoration project. Cool. Um maybe I can read off a few more questions. Yes. Um, so I see a question here that hits a sore spot, which is, "Do you need planning permissions to do your rewing work when you're working on someone's private land?" I mean, permits

is like this is our life now. Um, and once we've built teams, we realized that you need to get good at permits. Uh it's like the and like we don't want to do things the wrong way and like just do kind of cowboy rewalding, you know, and disregarding the permit system because this will backfire eventually because regulations also protect nature, right? And sometimes it's a real pain to like deal with this stuff. Yeah. In the question it said private land owners, but I would say more of the pain point is from the public, isn't it? And particularly in But on private land you still needs Sure.

Like the permissions to do everything, right? So I mean earlier we were speaking about this idea that we have for um for our land in the mirror around creating endangered species breeding center and you were already saying man what's going to take time is going to be all the permitting. You know it's not whether we can mobilize and get the thing done. Uh the urgency of the matter all these it's just going to be like the permits is going to be a major hurdle. So yeah, it's Yeah, I mean here in Portugal as well where we're working, there's two protected areas that have different governance. So you got those and then our land sits within a protected area. So yeah, there's licenses on all sorts of levels and we're having the same

problems or have had the same problems in Scotland. So yeah, it is a big part of what we do. There's like a connected question which is have our projects ever failed because permits and legislation? I think delayed massive delayed but I wouldn't I cannot I don't have one like not nothing comes to mind for like failed because of that maybe we didn't set out to do something and we're definitely waiting on permits for some stuff we want to do so for a long time so sometimes we submit frustrated a year or more you know so I think so not only are sometimes these public bodies quite they're big systems that move very slowly. I also there's I think an element of it is that we're in some areas we're relatively new to the

game and there has to be a level of trust of like okay are these guys going to do what they're saying they're going to do in their a lot of these bodies are massively underfunded as well and like understaffed and you know there's like a few people they're trying to make a lot of decisions so yeah we're also trying to build those relationships and like yeah but I yeah I think once you have a foot in the door things will get a little easier but yeah a big headache for Um so we have a question which is with all the turbulence of on the geopolitical landscape does that impact your activities at all?

I mean um I don't think at this point not yet. So for now it's okay. I mean maybe you know currencies fluctuate up and down that changes how our contributions how our contributions go into our budget you know but I mean it's yeah I don't I wouldn't say that it has I mean I know one of our biologists was a bit nervous to go to the US now just you know because of recent events but you know I think ultimately not yet. Oh, maybe in Ecuador you could say as well this Ecuador is not it's not this like bigger broader geopolitical question but um Ecuador has had a like a sort of a real downfall in terms of the security of the country especially out

near the coast not where we are and I think that's made us a bit more nervous and cautious and like really you know on how to approach doing travel and trips there and sending our own biologists there and having our team there. Um, so we just kind of have had to pay more attention to a few things, but broadly speaking, I think we Yeah, I think we keep up to speed on what's going on, but it at the moment it's not influencing any decision- making. Are there countries that are less attractive to rewald because of permits? I love how this live stream has become like a permitting thing.

Um, the best topic for uh live streams. um I wouldn't know the permit sort of like you would have thought I don't know for instance me going into Indonesia there's a lot of paperwork and so on and I was nervous about the permitting but it turns out like we got it done in some way it's been running more easily than in some other places where you would have thought the permits move quite quickly such as like the UK for instance um so yeah it's um it's hard to tell going into it. Yeah. Um cool. Do you have any plans for rewalding projects in Germany? Um, not right now. We've been asked this a lot. We have a lot of German members.

Uh, not at this stage, but we're doing a Berlin meetup, so for that. Um, yeah. I mean, it would be good to have projects, especially in the countries where we have members. We have a lot of Dutch members and a lot of German, UK, American members, Canadians, Australians. These are I think the nationalities I've seen most. So, yeah. I mean, would be cool to have projects in all those places, but it's Yeah, we're kind of trying at a time. Yeah, we're trying not to spread ourselves thin, right? Like otherwise we'd lose like focus on what we're trying to achieve.

Cool. Um, so anything else you would like to What do you think of this live streaming experience? Oh, to be honest, when I was driving up here, I wasn't quite sure what live stream was. So, so when I have my coffee, I gave it a little Google. Um, but no, I think it's a nice way um a really nice way to especially to have these questions because sometimes it does feel like when we're putting out things like field reports and videos and when we were doing the podcasting, it was it was almost like one way communication, wasn't it? And I think what I really enjoyed about the meetup, going back to the Copenhagen meetup, was it's it's a two-way thing and you're I really enjoyed that. And this is two-way to an extent because we've

got we've got questions coming in. Yeah, I mean I think that for the way that I want to organize the live streams moving forward really is that like after uh you know video has come out let's say like next month I'm filming in Indonesia um and I want to do a live stream with Yudi and really discuss like coral restoration and get all of Yudi's thoughts on this. So then we'll try to have some like kind of topics and really zoom in on a project for that live stream and like have less and then you can answer all the questions around that project as well because I think have our biologists there like uh and it's fresh in people's minds, isn't it? So new video comes out any doubts people have had. Yeah, I think that's really cool. And then you can go

down the rabbit hole that you probably wanted to when you're scripting cuz sure I know when you script you know you have a huge script and you have to get it down and you'd love to include all of that. So, it's a nice way to Yeah. to chat about all the bits that people maybe Yeah. We couldn't get into like the depth. Yeah, for sure. And um Yeah. And I think that also we'll announce them more in advance and have members submit questions so that we can sort of get members questions uh about those projects first. Um, and uh, yeah, I think it'll be a nice new way to interact.

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