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Coming up on the weekend view with special guest co-host ABC News chief business correspondent, our friend Rebecca Jarvis. Rebecca's Elizabeth Holmes podcast, The Dropout, is going viral again thanks to the record-breaking new documentary, You Can See Everything. Has the movie changed the way she feels about Elizabeth Holmes. Dying to Know. I want to know how Timothy Shalomé and Dylan Sprouse are setting a new trend by being their partner's number one fans. Oh, and what made Julie Louie Drifus and Aa Garden both suffer from a major case of imposttor syndrome? How could those two? It all starts now on the weekend view.
Hi guys. Hello and welcome to the weekend view. Joy is still healing up from her dislocated shoulder. So, I am your special guest host, Rebecca Jarvis. Uh, and it's great to be here because there's so much talk about this new film. You can see everything. It is a box office blockbuster. It's getting early Oscar buzz and it's made Elizabeth Holmes a hot topic all over again. And we are not going to give away any spoilers here cuz I know there's a lot of people who haven't seen it yet. But here is a sneak peek at the trailer. You really feel you did nothing wrong.
I did not. So where did things get lost? Like how are you where you are right now? I wish I knew, you know? I don't know. I don't feel like I understand that. Does any part of you worry about me being here 24/7? I don't think so. But what if I see something that makes you look bad? I think this is the moment in time to capture this story before I'm gone. I still have this weird feeling that there's some things that I'm not seeing.
It's because I don't have anything to hide. Can you feel my chills right now? The movie does have some people rethinking their position on her. Have you ever watched something that changed your mind about someone? So, that's where we're going to begin. Did you ever see something that changed your mind? I think I've seen things that add context to people's story and almost like an understanding or an empathy. But before we dive in, I want to ask you something. You're an authority on Elizabeth Holmes. You were an executive producer on the Hulu series, The Dropout, starring Amanda Cipher, which was based on your podcast. And listen to this. that podcast roads over 900% by the documentaries release weekend.
Again, credit to you because that was a hardfought journey. You single-handedly led, which is bravo. But without giving anything away, what did you see this film? I have seen this film and I know there's people in the front row here who saw this film. I want to see it. I can't wait. Yeah, there's there's so much interest and I think that's initially what drew me to the story of Elizabeth Holmes. It was this woman who was receiving all of this attention, all of these accolades for what she was doing. She was at the time, initially when she came onto the scene, creating this game-changing, life-changing technology that had stakes
to it. People were relying on this. Wasn't the technology something about like you, she with a single drop of blood, you could test a single drop of blood for hundreds, hundreds of different illnesses and diseases. Exactly. And that's what she said. All over the world. Exactly. It didn't work. She was convicted, found guilty of those crimes, lying to investors. I was in the courtroom following all of this a handful of years ago and frankly, I've now been and living with this story and investigating this story for almost a decade. Wow. Do you think she was like from the trailer, she seemed to not think that she did anything wrong? Is that after seeing the film, do you believe because
you just said she's she was lying. Do you believe the court decided she was? Yeah. Do you believe that she doesn't think she did anything wrong after seeing the film and knowing this so closely? I think one of the things about this story is it's like looking at the Mona Lisa. And everybody looks at the Mona Lisa and sees something a little bit different. Some people see a smile cuz they're standing off to the side. Some people don't. Some people think she's one person. Some people think she's another. The way I see this story is both through her and the hours upon hours of deposition footage that I've watched of her, but also through all of the people that I spoke to along the
way. The whistleblowers, the early Apple employees, people who left Apple to go work for her at Theronos, who talked about her lying, alleged that she lied for very simple things, telling them, for example, I'm in the office when she wasn't, or I'm not in the office when she was. And that was early on before the stakes got as high as they did with their I have so I went in uh in May my friend's son uh my friend is John Davis. His son is Jack Davis, who's one of the producers of this film, and he got married in May. And I went to the wedding, and Fielder and Openheim were at the wedding, and they were telling me about this project that they were working on, and my eyes glazed over
because I thought to myself, what could they possibly tell and do with Elizabeth Holmes that hasn't already been pulled, right? I mean, it's been documentary after documentary. So, the bottom line is, if I ever give you a recommendation on what to invest in or not, don't take it. Because this movie is the highest rated film of the year, the highest audience score of the year, the highest opening weekend for a non-m musical documentary in two decades. Masterpiece. I find myself endlessly fascinated by Elizabeth Holmes because we confront maybe and I'm not diagnosing anyone but common narcissists all the time, but there's something different about her. This like enigmatic nature where she duped some of
the most powerful, smart, successful people. Henry Kissinger, Rupert Murdoch, Jim Mattis was on the board of her company, George Schultz, the former Secretary of State, William Perry, former Secretary of Defense. She was this female founder, young Stanford dropout that convinced all these people that this was legit. I also think about the harm that she did to other female founders and how much that may have put them back after all of this was exposed. But there is clearly something about her that draws people in and makes them want to believe it. Cuz what I'm stunned by, I've got single girlfriends who can't get a date, BUT ELIZABETH CONVICT IS out here with a kind of procreating and doing all the things.
Did she marry the guy that she was? She and Billy are together and they have the two children now. Okay. And he's taking care of them while she's in prison. Do you have any updates on her or her release case? Anything? Well, we know because I keep in touch, the team and I, we're a small team. My producers Taylor Dunn and Gloria Thompson are wonderful and we've spent all these years working on it. We keep in touch with the people who were our sources originally. And one of those sources wanted to keep track of where Elizabeth was going next.
She got a notice from the prison system a couple weeks ago saying Elizabeth Holmes will transfer to a halfway house next year. So she'll be living in a halfway house instead of the prison. The federal place as Galileain Maxwell or No, I don't. But I thought it was a sevenyear prison sentence or 10 year. It's an 11 prison sentence and she's only been there for like 2 years. Exactly. So, it's very it you're you're pointing out a really important point, Sunny, because generally speaking, people only serve out their last 12 or so months at a halfway house. Correct. So, she is going to a halfway house much earlier.
So, did you see anything though in this documentary that just you just thought this is like weird like I don't know like when they let Nathan Fielder into their bag? The whole thing. I think for me one of the most telling things because I watched the deposition footage before she went to trial and then I sat inside the trial and one of the most stark things is the contrast between Elizabeth Holmes on a stage or talking to investors versus Elizabeth Holmes in a courtroom and talking to attorneys. Inside her depositions, Elizabeth Holmes said either I can't recall or I don't know over 600 times. And this is the same woman who built this $9 billion at onetime value.
I'm going to need her to remember something. And it's sort of the same thing that you see there with Nathan Fielder in that promo where all of a sudden she's saying, "I have no idea how I got here. You have no idea. No idea how you got here." It's almost like the definition of a narcissist, you know? I don't know. Well, I can't wait to see it. I know everybody wants to see it and please come talk to me after you do and let me know what you think. Definitely. Okay, we're going to shift gears now. Actors Timothy Shalomé and Dylan Sprouse were both on their feet cheering when their partners Kylie Jenner and Barbara Palvin were on the catwalk of the Victoria's Secret fashion show. Cosmo
applauded them in an article declaring that having a supportive man is the new Victoria's Secret fantasy. So guys, do you need your man to be your number one fan? I feel like it's a requirement for the job I need him cheering me on. Um, but I have to shout out um Barbara Palin was six weeks postpartum walking down the runway. I mean, I think I was still in adult diapers at that point, but she looks unbelievable and I can just you could just see the pride in her husband's eyes seeing her. Oh, that's so sweet. I love that the um is it Kylie?
Mhm. Jenner showed up with like an entire entourage, right? I mean, Timothy Shalamé, the mom, her kids were there. They had like these aruck faces seeing uh their mom. I think it's nice when you have people you love surrounding you and cheering you on. If I wanted to walk a runway dressed like that, my husband would be the first one. I was saying if he's like, I HAVEN'T SEEN HER naked since we had a baby. NO, BUT all to say that the whole idea of showing up for your partner, I think it looks different in different seasons because having young kids, the best support I can get from Max is I can go do my thing if you stay home and when you go do your
thing, I'm going to stay at home. So, it comes in different forms. Absolutely. Well, it's great to see the men out supporting their women. And I'm glad everyone at this table feels supported. How about you? Absolutely. That's the best. I agree with Sarah because Matt and I, we have little kids. Yeah. And he's willing to do it. I think that if you were wearing a bejeweled bra willing to talk, get the team version. Calling Sheen. And we'll be right back.
The weekend view is sponsored by Albert, your personal financial assistant. All right, you may think 11 time Emmy award winner Julia Louie Drifus is someone who's comfortable in her own skin, but on Gart's podcast Happy Hour, she talked about attending Paris Fashion Week together. Take a look. You and I are in the front I don't know what I'm doing in the front row. You certainly are involved in fashion. Yeah. But was and anyway, there's there was that footage of you that went viral of you just sitting there watching everything. It was so much fun.
Wasn't it fun? It was really Yeah, it was very exciting. I remember you texting me going, "What am I doing here?" Do you remember that? Yeah, because I felt and I'm like, "Do you feel comfortable at a fashion show?" Never. I felt like I kind of dropped in from the moon and I didn't know what I was doing there. Yeah, I know. It's really Yes. I've been to a few and I never I feel like an impostor for sure. Yeah. She feels like an impostor.
Any of you feel that way? I love this friendship. I just Garten and Jew. It's just the most wonderful cocktails and potato chips. Oh my goodness. The cocktails looked really good. She brought her Cosmos. Aa Garton could drop in from the moon and I'd be welcome. I love her. Yeah, me too. I don't have that. You don't? No. You have you? She's never had it. She's neither of them have ever had it.
Interesting. You know, I think as a you know, I'm a kid from the South Bronx projects, so nothing was ever given to me. I had to work really, really hard to get, I think, half as far as other people. And so, um, I know that I've earned it. And so, I don't have an imposter syndrome. I believe that I am allowed to take up the spaces that I enter. Well, as some and I love that about you. I wish I had that confidence. I'm someone who has crippling imposttor syndrome and I it's something I've had to work on and to talk to myself of like you've earned your way here. You have the skills to be here. You deserve to be here. But on like a sillier note, this is literally how I feel anytime that we do anything
like dancing requires you dance. Like I literally am like I cannot clap on a beat. I cannot dance and like people are watching. There's cameras. It happens oddly a lot in the show, but less on the substant of things and more on the like bizarre things that we have to do. I'm like, why is this happening and why am I here? That actually happened to me this week. I was I agreed to be part of this uh celebrity karaoke to raise funds for a cause. You did? Yes. And it was Broadway singers and it was Lin Manuel Miranda and like Christopher Jackson who was in Hamilton and uh the woman who won the Tony for
Hairspray and I mean these were like people with who could sing and dance and perform. They made you sing. Yes. Oh no. But you know what I killed my imposter syndrome with wine. You know the wine. Yeah. It was like okay this is this I can do Yeah. I can do this. We can all sing and dance. Imposter syndrome dances in a lot because it's not something you get rid of. I think it's something you learn how to coexist with and there are days where you feel more insecure than others or seasons when you feel more insecure. But when I was researching for this, they said, "Has there ever been a time you really felt like you were out of place?" And I actually remember the end of my senior
year in high school. I had drank for the first time and I'd had wine coolers and I was remember James and Bartle. Oh gosh. They go down the same color they come up. But uh so I was a radio DJ for a country music station and we had to do an Easter event where I had to dress as a bunny. So I It was Easter. A lot of guilt going on about my drunkenness as I am a bunny in a costume that's hung over. I And like and then my friend who was wait. So you had the wine coolers the night before. I never Yeah, that sounds sacrificial. I never had drank before. And so the next day, I didn't realize how much it was going to hurt. And I'm dressing up as a bunny at in a very hot suit at an Easter thing while my parents I had
driven the car and I let someone This was the next morning, but my friend's driving runs into a mailbox and scratches my dad's car. Still to this day, I did that cuz I had a headache. My dad and mom, because I didn't tell them about all the things, they still go, "Yeah, right. someone else did it, right? And I'm like, "No, someone else was driving the car." And they're like, "When you lie, why would we believe you now?" And I'm like, "Dad, I've come clean." Like, what is it? I thought for sure you'd puke in the bunny mask. No, no, I puke before I put the suit on. Good veteran move. Yeah, I wasn't clear on if the imposttor syndrome was you're not a real bunny or the I feel like so many imposters in that
moment. Like being at Easter Sunday of all things. I felt like the worst person in the world. How many wine coolers did you have? Two. Drink before. And they tasted so good and they went down like Kool-Aid. They do. I've never drank a wine cooler since. Okay, guys. On the last Real Housewives of New York City, Haley made it clear that some topics shouldn't be up for discussion. Take a look. Where does your money come from?
My hard work and manifestation. I'm so low. I've been getting close to Haley and I do feel like this is a topic that makes her a little bit uncomfortable, but I love I'm talking about money. Give me the money. Show me the money, baby. What exactly is it that you do for a living? It's like tacky to talk about money. I don't like talking about it. Only people who have a lot of money say that. Like old money people. I don't think life and people should be measured by how much money they have. I like to just keep it real and not be like I appreciate the sunsets and sunrises. I don't want people to look.
No, me too. Oh, manifesting money. If only we could all do such a thing. Um Oh my gosh. anyone. I think it's it's like an interesting conversation because there are conversations about money that feel inappropriate, but asking someone what they do that part of it started first. What do you do? Why are we talking about money? How do you pay your rent? I don't know. Why are we talking about money? Is it for itself? Manifested. I think there's a cultural issue. Like for me there's a cultural issue because if you go to a party in Latin America, if you go to a party with nobody is asking you what do you do and I had to get used to that being
something that happens everywhere particularly in places like New York and places you know you're you're at a cocktail party and it is like a like an icebreaker you know so what do you do and I used to find that really like offensive andive that's what nobody nobody in a you know in Latin America is asking that and I realize okay you know it's not intrusive it's not nosy it's kind of just like Americano you know I do think there is a difference between I think just saying like how much do you make or where does your money come from in a social context is super tacky I think asking what someone does for a living is totally appropriate that's just getting to know them like how do you spend 70% of your time she's being dodgy and elusive money I think
to me I don't read old money I read shadiness Yeah, I could maybe you guys you're got your money in a funny way. And like I don't even I don't know the show well enough to say this. What I would say is I actually think those shady money conversations set women back. And what I mean by that is the idea that like you just manifest money you pay your bills. You know how much money I would have if I could manifest money, right? But the where absolutely but like the idea that women are listening to each other and hoping to learn something from that and apply it to their own lives. That's where I think
it goes really ary because then people get the wrong idea about how you actually go out and work hard and make money. Absolutely. You guys are too serious. Somebody in that conversation should be so how did you make your money? Oh, money laundering embezzlement. Yeah. Prostitution. Something like that. Yeah. All right. I like that. We'll end there. We'll be right back.
The Weekend View is sponsored by Albert, your personal financial assistant. Funny was recently on the Behind the Table podcast and she talked to Brian about hitting a bump in the road with her husband, Manny. Take a look. Manny is um a backseat driver. I know a little about this. Yeah. So, he decides we're going somewhere. And he starts with the backseat driving like uhoh. Uh you know, don't not so you don't have to be so far away from the other car. Uh you why don't you go in the left lane?
Uh and I had a little bit of a breakdown. So, I started with first of all, he's younger than I am. He's been driving for less time than I have. I'm a better driver than he is. And uh I don't have any speeding tickets or anything like that. I have a actually like no none of that on my driving record. So, if the person who has more driving experience is a better driver with a better driving record um is driving, the other person with the not as good driving record who is younger than that person with less driving experience, that person should shut up. Oh my god, I forgot I said that. Has Manny heard this yet? No. Luckily, our husbands never watched the show.
Yeah, Manny never watches the show. But isn't that crazy? Like, that is just crazy. Why is he saying anything about my driving? So, true story, my husband has to be my backseat driver because I just got my learner's permit. I know. I lived in cities and just took public transportation. I drove like in high school and college, but yeah, I have my learner's permit. I have to hold it for another month. So, I have to drive with Justin being like, "Slow down. Here's how you parallel park." It's so sad. I found out that she was a passenger princess just recently. I was like, "What?" For the last decade, I've been a passenger princess.
Alan and I have dragout blowouts over this stuff when we were and we usually don't drive together that much, but uh like I take a lot of Ubers in Miami. Uh and when I drive, I drive by myself. Yeah. But this uh summer we were on a road trip in Spain. Okay. First of all, in Spain, the roads were designed for horses in the 1600s, not for cars. True. And then he has like the go he's got the hood saying to me the man doesn't know what town we're in or what town we're going to. And when the GPS lady says in 500 ft turn right, he's like, you know, I don't think she's right. I DON'T THINK I'M GOING the wrong direction. I'm like, Ala, where are we? Just tell me where we are. What's the name of this town? Where are we going?
Yeah, just say anything. Oh, we have huge fights. Yeah, a vacation with a road trip is the test of a relationship. And it would be fine if it was back seat, but it's next seat. It's next seat. Mine is next. Next time you just say, "Get in the back. Get in the If I didn't have the Didn't you kick him out of the car?" Yeah, I kicked him out of the car in Bao. Yes. No, I kicked them out of the front seat into the back seat and told them not to Driving Miss Daisy. Seriously, I need that video. Behind the table streams, wherever you get your podcast or you can
watch on Hulu, Disney Plus or on YouTube. And Rebecca, tell us where can we see more of you? Oh, okay. So, you can see me on GMA most mornings anchoring on Fridays and I'm across ABC News and I am continuing to work on the dropout. There might be a special episode coming real soon. And share your investigative tips with me cuz I need another good podcast. That's excellent. I love it. Thanks, ladies. Thank you for being here. Thank you for having me and have a great day everyone. All of you, take a little time to enjoy the weekend, too.
